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dustonian wrote:Sure it is, but with the critical difference that I don't feel the need to spread my belief status around. People can believe what they want, and that's fine with me.

I am not offended by dhuff's desire to inform or save. Discourse and changing one another's minds is why we have message boards and the reason why language was invented in the first place. If your mouth is open don't apologizes about the reason you are pontificating.
• There was an apparent extremely bad call in the USA v. Slovenia WC2010 game yesterday. The USA should have won 3-2, coming from behind with a half time score of 0-2. This event would have been historically notable! The referee will be asked to support his reason for the call. If at any point in his argument he mentions his past lives he will never ref another football game at any where near World Cup level. If he can't support his decision logically the same might happen. In most other areas we have to communicate and support our decision-making processes to others. On some level this keeps us sane.

but language is so unneccessary caribe...so limiting.

pigsteak wrote:but language is so unneccessary caribe...so limiting.

If you can't say it, it ain't so.

caribe wrote:[• Now here are questions for you. Is there anything you don't believe? What is your measure of truth? How do you validate or invalidate X?

i don't believe there are many "truth's" in the world. meaning that things change, times change and we must always reevaluateor choices or we may become bland. i don't believe there will ever be one answer, def not for one person but for all of us; devil's advocate you know.

my measure of truth is feeling mor ethan anything. if it feels right, if it won't hurt other's feelings, (i've gotten better about this) just like sinners and saints,believers and non-believers.you just know.

validation, that is a tough one. do we base it on mores and norms, what society tells us is "right"? or do we go our own way?? if you're on here more than likely that's it. not all, but you caribe, yes. there are wackos but just because i don't agree or understand someone does not ake them wrong. iread, listen, digest, mull over, and try to understand the world around me. not the best at it all the time but who the fuck are you?!?

i think it is fine for people to push the masses, push the comfort of others, challange you. it makes life fun.

Caribe: Thanks for being a little more respectful than some. I really don't hold tightly to any 'belief' unless it's something for which I have seen undeniable evidence of truth. I feel like it's dangerous to get stuck making decisions based on beliefs that have not been validated, so I know where you're coming from for sure. Based on that, I wouldn't be able to let myself keep putting shit up on here and talking about this if I was not absolutely sure that it is true.

I'm basically at a point where I have not completely turned off, but somewhat quieted my analytical filter. Because I've learned that the worst thing we can do to ourselves is keep a biased, subjective point of view. This doesn't allow us to expand our awareness at all, because the conscious thinking function of the mind that we get locked into is all about security and self-preservation. The idea that there is an infinite, mysterious realm of existence, and that the current understanding of the 'self' must be let go in order to experience it, does not make the conscious mind(ego) feel safe. So it's really hard to accept, especially when there is no physical evidence whatsoever.

But the way to experience this is something that is different for every person. Meditation and the use of psychedelics is what has gotten me to this point. But in all honesty, I just want everyone to know I am not fucking around, I don't have an agenda, I'm really not trying to make anyone thing or believe anything. I'm trying to present an aspect of existence that in the modern world--especially the west--is not widely accepted. But through finding this truth, I have come to a point where I love all of existence. I revel in the enjoyable experiences, and accept that if something 'bad' happens to me, I have either fucked up and am getting repaid, or I will be repaid with more 'goodness' later. I have completely let go of the need to compete or 'win'. I don't judge any person for anything they do or think or believe. I am more than happy to share whatever I can with someone who needs it. Do you see how, being in that mindset, and knowing what it took to get me there, why I would try the best I can to spread that to as many people as I can? I think the world would be a fucking awesome place for everyone if we could hold onto that.

I'm glad you have found happiness, or at least contentedness--seriously. But I have to ask--since you love "all of existence," does that extend to the part of existence that includes genocides in Darfur, Nazi Germany and a hundred other places, gang rapes, mass murderers, child molesters, industrial carcinogens in the air and water, starving children in a world of plenty, curable/preventable diseases like malaria and TB wiping out millions of people annually, etc etc ad nauseum? It's not difficult to find happiness when you have it easy. In fact, accepting such atrocities as an agreeable part of existence or rationalizing them as "karmic justice" in effect blames the victims of heinous crimes and engenders a sort of mass complacency that in the end perpetuates their existence.

And pigsteak is right, language is unnecessary. And limiting. I learned the wisdom of years of experience in split seconds through telepathically communicating with my friend Tyler the first time I 'saw the light', so to speak. Sounds crazy I'm sure, but it was something vastly more 'real' than any physical experience I had ever had. And since then I've had more of these experiences, and have been able to help friends transcend and see the light as well. And there is no greater feeling than when you see someone realize their true essence, and in the same instant realize that finding that out was the point of them coming to Earth to exist in the first place. But it's something that can't be fully communicated with words, however stupid that may sound. And it's not something any of us will be able to become aware of within the first several months (at least) of working toward it. But if you do plan on ever accepting the possibility, stay the course no matter what. The goal is more rewarding than anything on earth, or really anything that exists in the realm of the physical.

Dude, lay of the 'shrooms and acid, you're going to destroy your brain. Seriously, you lose neural connections every time you trip... most of which you can never really get back. If you can't put it into words, it's probably not that useful of an insight in terms of sharing it with other people. And if you attained such insights while under the influence, it is guaranteed to have zero relevance in the real world--with the possible exception of making music or art--i.e., non-verbal media to communicate the abstractions you're grasping at. But in all honesty, the "drug experience" has been described in art thousands upon thousands of times over the last half-century. In the end, this genre all ends up sounding/looking kind of the same--with the exceptions of Carlos Casteneda and Miles Davis, who did it best IMO.

Dustonian: I'm not happy about that shit at all, and I really don't think that you think I am either. But I accept it, just as I accept shitty things that happen to me, as a step in the learning process of humanity as a whole. But if I hate that stuff, and I keep just wallowing in disdain, that isn't going to help anyone at all. I'm not focused on that. Like I said, I accept it for what it is, and I try to spread a mentality that is the opposite of the mentality that people are in when they do those things. So no, I'm not blaming anyone at all. Those who are doing it are deeply confused and deluded, and those having shit done to them are victims and have my deepest sympathy. No human being deserves to live through anything like that. Does that clear it up a little?

And what's the real world?