Re: Decking at the Lode...
Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:39 pm
I want to understand also.
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Seems to me that the point over the last bit of comments has been that a SUM does not provide an "ATC mode" option in the case of a cam failure, whereas a gri-gri will.Meadows wrote:I can relate to that and awhile ago, I remember the exact words being spoken from ATC users about the grigri. I even switched back to the ATC after witnessing an incident on Mercy in '06 in which I was told that the cam on the grigri failed to engage.
But because I love the SUM and have caught many of falls with it (with I feel better friction than the gri), I want to understand the situation.
Up really does not make sense. Compared to down, it creates fewer bends in the rope and opportunities for friction. I would hazard that Clifton meant that the amount of friction provided if the SUM's cam is taped down is similar to that provided by a munter hitch.Wolf wrote:So Clifton says the proper braking position for the SUM is up, as with the Munter Hitch. The SUM instructions that J-Ru posted say to brake down. Which is it? Are the instructions old and outdated, or do the makers of the SUM not know how to use it?
Next time I see you at Stone Summit, I'll personally demonstrate to you the safety of the Sum belay device. Rachel & I are both well aware of safety issues involved in climbing equipment and usage. Neither of us will allow anyone to belay us that we've not tested first.steep4me wrote:Man, these things really freak me out. My list of partners is narrowing each season. No SUMs and no. Cinches. Every single incident involving a gri gri or ATC had to do with pilot error. If there is ANY chance that a competent belayer could have their hand on the brake and deck me anyway....I'm not willing to take that risk.
Can you explaining why the soloist in this video thinks he needs to trail the other end of the rope?geckodru wrote: Thanks all.
Gripping the Sum and holding the Sum down appears to be the problem. Light grip might become death grip for the 0.75 sec that it takes to deck someone.geckodru wrote:Option 1. Lightly grip the Sum between the pinky and palm of your break hand.