SOUTHERN REGION

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:14 pm

Dude you don't know me. You don't know what I've done in my life. Don't assume that I am soft. Don't assume that I don't know oilmen. As for working hard, yeah, I've worked and still do very hard. That's why I'm in school. To get an education and a degree so that I don't have to work hard. Working hard sucks.

Post by **pigsteak** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:20 pm

you mean working hard manual labor sucks.....define yourself...and just a thought..if you actually got a job (or picked up hours at your current one) instead of endless hours on here posting nonsense, then you would have the cash to help buy the murray property, pay the measly $10 RRGCC fee, or all the other "poor me" things you throw our way...don't say you don't have time...seems to me you spend lots of time on here or out climbing....

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:39 pm

pigsteak wrote:you mean working hard manual labor sucks.....define yourself...and just a thought..if you actually got a job (or picked up hours at your current one) instead of endless hours on here posting nonsense, then you would have the cash to help buy the murray property, pay the measly $10 RRGCC fee, or all the other "poor me" things you throw our way...don't say you don't have time...seems to me you spend lots of time on here or out climbing....

1)I don't have to define myself to you or anyone else.
2)You post almost as much as me .
3) what have I said tomake you think "poor me"? feel free to quote it back to me.
4)I never said I don't have time. Again, feel free to quote me.

You people kill me, the truth is just a minor inconvienence to you.

Post by **Lateralus** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 6:24 pm

J.H. wrote:Dude you don't know me. You don't know what I've done in my life. Don't assume that I am soft. Don't assume that I don't know oilmen. As for working hard, yeah, I've worked and still do very hard. That's why I'm in school. To get an education and a degree so that I don't have to work hard. Working hard sucks.

you're right I don't know you, all I have is your words on this board and since you seem to be serious I'll assume that your words here are what you'd say if I met you. Stereotypical statements like "Don't assume that I don't know oilmen" are made out of ignorance. This is like me saying I know all college students they all ..insert randomn cutdown here... I'm guilty of this a little, I assumed you are probably less than 23 years of age since you are a college student, and from that another assumption was made that you probably don't know what manually hard,dirty,dangerous work is.
I could be totally wrong and I willingly admit that, but I've worked in the patch and like any other profession it is filled with great and not so great people. You'll have a hard time dispproving that I think.

But anyway, how do you think you are going to get to climb in the S. Region by badmouthing the people who work there and not being part of an organization that was designed to keep climbing open? What better way could you spend $10 to help access in the Red? You got a better idea? I'm all ears, as I'm inherently wary of coalitions, climber groups, etc... Am I missing something, isn't the CC working on behalf of us climbers to keep climbing alive in the Red. What have they done to tarnish this image? I'm not going to suggest I understand everything that is going on down there. I'm an outsider for the most part, I only climb down there about 2 weeks/year but I did donate $50.00 this year to that organization in hope that it would in some small way help keep climbing open for you, me and future generations. I can understand a bit of frustration on your behalf, when no tresspassing signs go up, but don't let your frustration turn to anger which usually leads to regrettable actions.
Get involved or just keep being pissed off/on.

Post by **pigsteak** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 7:22 pm

I can't believe I am doing this...
JH says:
1)I don't have to define myself to you or anyone else.
pigsteak says: I was talking about defining "working hard". manual labor is not the only occupation that is "hard work"...read the context mr. college student. most of us work hard at our occupations...hard work is not a disease. I went to college to get skills, not to skip out on hard work.

jh says:
2)You post almost as much as me .
pigsteak says: o really..let's see....you registered after me but have 620 posts to my 170...hmmm, I hope your leading skills are better than your math skills. talk about letting the facts get in the way of a good argument..now who is the hypocrite?

jh says:
3) what have I said to make you think "poor me"? feel free to quote it back to me.

pigsteak says: ok, if you insist....from the "college diet" thread, and I quote..."So I've got $40 a month to eat on. That means lots of catsup and pasta."...and then, same site, "As a student, I can't afford meat."
I doubt the truthfulness of the $40 a month statement, but since I am not your budget counselor, I'll let it slide. there ya go...poor JH....

JH says:
4)I never said I don't have time. Again, feel free to quote me.

pigsteak says: again, read the context. I didn't say you said that. I said "don't tell me you don't have time.." I was anticipating an argument from you, and saving you the time of this much overused line. hours make up days, which make up weeks, which make up months...and the suprising thing that some seemingly bright people can't figure out is that we all have 168 hours per week. no one gets more...no one gets less...we all have equal time here...it is really a matter of priorities.

i have decided to join the growing ranks of fine folks here who feel arguing with you brings you undeserved attention. you are only out to agitate, not educate. I will no longer incite you with my replies. best to you.

Post by **tomdarch** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 8:55 pm

Christian wrote:Hey TD I tried to read Gravity's Rainbow back when you were supposed to to be cool and I couldn't stay with it. I felt less than ,of course, but I just didn't get it. Is Vineland better/worse/ worthreading? Your listening public needs to know.

My first though was that this would be way off topic, but then I read the rest of the posts!

I've read Vineland and The Crying of Lot 49. I think I got through the first half of Mason and Dixon, but didn't get into it. I read the first third or so of Gravity's Rainbow, and it really messed with my head. Vineland was a lot easier and pretty fun - I think it's sort of a parody of made for TV movies (sort of?). But my favorite has been The Crying of Lot 49 - the way I read it, it was about the challenges of interpersonal communication. But I have no clue if that's what Pynchon intended. As for V - I no nothing about it, but it seems as intimidating as Gravity's Rainbow.

I picked up Vineland on Patmos (the Greek island where Revelations was written) It seemed interesting and I needed something to read on the ferry and train rides on my way to Florence. I had no idea that Pynchon was a 'big deal' writer, it just sounded like a wierd, interesting book - and it was. But I'd say, read The Crying of Lot 49 and then Vineland.

The reason I brought it up is that during the course of Vineland, the characters uncover a system of concentration camps built by the Regan administration as part of a plan to deal with detractors. Ahhh, fiction.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 10:45 pm

beautiful that's just beautiful. I think you are the brightest one on here. Good work with your last! 8)

Post by **Christian** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 1:42 pm

The concentration camps weren't fiction. They are the homes of American consumers trapped by the cycle of desire and suffering. the most prominent tool of this system is ,of course, the television.(thank you for letting me get that off my chest).

Tomdarch, I may try Pynchon again.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 2:01 pm

Christian, right on.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 7:52 pm

Christian wrote: Tomdarch, I may try Pynchon again.

What is that, some sort of gay code for "pinch one (off)"