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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:55 pm
by tomdarch
Crank - there are some very simple tests in America for whether or not someone is "black" - if you drive down the street in a nice car, do you get pulled over, yanked out of the car and frisked for nothing? When you walk down a sidewalk, do white women clutch their purses and cross the street?

By these tests, and similar ones, Obama is "black" and/or "African American."

Ohhh... In looking for some actual facts on this, I see what's up: Rush Limbaugh has been trying this crap, along with others in the right-wing swamp. Given how few Americans seem to have access to a world map, perhaps Limbaugh's statement doesn't sound nearly as stupid as it actually is. In reality, 0.16% of the population of Kenya is ethnically Arab. I guess it's possible that Barack Hussein Obama Sr. was part of that 0.16% of the population, but it's damn improbable.
Page 6 of this study, if you care:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2478325/Votin ... erspective

But underlying all this is the right-wing fantasy that "race" has some sort of physical or genetic basis. It's critical to racism that "race" is somehow inborn or immutable. Here's how our favorite portly expert on African ethnicity and geography put it:
But he’s not black. Do you know he has not one shred of African-American blood? He doesn’t have any African — that’s why when they asked whether he was authentic, whether he’s down for the struggle. He’s Arab. You know, he’s from Africa. He’s from Arab parts of Africa.
He just can't resist talking about "blood." You can't have racism unless you believe that "race" is somehow real.

Crank - for the purpose of this response, I'll assume that you're as stupid as your post about Obama, Arab ethnicity and Oprah makes you sound, I'll spell this out real simple: Obama's dad is from "black Africa", Obama's dad was "black African", Obama is "black" and "African American" just like hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of other "mixed race" "black" Americans.

Now, please lay out your "top 5 Obama lies": please provide direct quotes, sourcing including date/place for quotes and an explanation, in your own words, preferably with sources, of why his statements are not true.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:01 am
by TankAzz
dmw wrote:what's the difference between a soccer mom and a bulldog? lipstick? seriously? and the chants of "drill, baby, drill" during fucktard Guiliani's speech....wow, classy. i am sickened by the rnc.
come on now, dana, it was hockey mom and a pitbull.... get it right ;)

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:02 am
by TankAzz
by the way, i saw another dog "blind" in one blue eye at the crag last weekend, and thought of you.... :)

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:32 pm
by dmw
hehe, yeah I ripped that guy pretty harsh. Jules, either way, either terrier, either sport.... she is still ragingly unqualified and terrifying to me. I like my rights and I don't want some psychopath religious fanatic taking them away from me.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:44 pm
by pigsteak
dmw wrote:hehe, yeah I ripped that guy pretty harsh. Jules, either way, either terrier, either sport.... she is still ragingly unqualified and terrifying to me. I like my rights and I don't want some psychopath religious fanatic taking them away from me.
and just when we thought the neo con spinmeisters had the market on fear tactics..... :roll:

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:56 pm
by heidiramma
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygu ... 23107.html

I still thinks she's nuts either way.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:57 pm
by TankAzz
i definitely disagree with her politics.... and she is completely unqualified for the job. why are newscasters positively describing her as "spunky"!?!?! who gives a shit how spunky she is; can she run the country if (well, WHEN) mccain croaks? i guess it does not really matter how stupid she is; at least she can see russia from alaska... that should be enough, right?

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:00 pm
by heidiramma
If she and McCain have a chance, then I will wake up each morning, confirming we're officially living in hell, surrounded by helpless idiots. :evil:

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:58 pm
by dmw
agreed. anyone watch Katie Couric interviewing the hockey mom? Watching her ask why proximity to Russia = foreign policy experience? It was painful to watch, even for someone such as myself who loves to watch stupid people...

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:02 pm
by pigsteak
Katie isn't THAT stupid.