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amen brother! as americans citizens, it is our DUTY to question our governments actions, for our government acts in our name. If we fail to uphold the MSM to the highest of standards, we have FAILED as citizens.

i find it ironic, L day, that you pick one of the many "news orginizations" to criticize. They are essentially all run by the same 4 companies and roughly deliver the same bullshit. MSN/CNN/FOX Spews/, what's the difference? from what i remember, they were all beating the same war drums as the pentagon when we were going into this catastrophe.

L Day, my comment is more in reference to the simple, undefinable terms you use like "our enemies."

The NY Times is now on our list of enemies? I will note that for use in our next organized Hate Session.

The irony escapes you apparently.

An interesting point, charlie, but could it be that Day is actually crying for help? Perhaps L Day is really just a pen name for our friend and protagonist, Joe Wilson himself! Maybe Day is trapped working at the Ministry Of Truth, sitting there by his memory hole, tossing the random bits and pieces of vital information that are oh-so-damning to the powers that be! Don’t worry, Joe! We’re comin’ to set you free! Remember brother, 2+2 does not = 5! 2+2 DOES NOT = 5!!!

Charlie - It we defined every term we used, it would, unnecessarily I think, overburden our comments to the point of making them unreadable. Especially when the words used are hardly arbitrary in their meaning. In time of war I think the rather obvious definition of "our enemies" is anyone who either actively engages in, or promotes, the killing of Americans, whether those Americans are members of the military or civilians. You knew that.

L Day wrote:Charlie - It we defined every term we used, it would, unnecessarily I think, overburden our comments to the point of making them unreadable. Especially when the words used are hardly arbitrary in their meaning. In time of war I think the rather obvious definition of "our enemies" is anyone who either actively engages in, or promotes, the killing of Americans, whether those Americans are members of the military or civilians. You knew that.

read: Newspeak
you pretty much defined it.

did you mean to say "overburden our thinking"?

L K Day wrote:the New York Times engages in propoganda in support of our enemies"

Ironically, Larry is on to something. The New York Times did publish propaganda for the enemies of America.

In the lead up to the invasion of Iraq, the Times repeatedly ran stories that were essentially transcriptions of the baseless lies that Iraq was collaborating with al Qaeda and that there were WMDs in Iraq. If the Times had done a little research and had a little spine, they would have exposed the bald-faced lies that were the basis for the disastrous invasion.

So, who were the enemies of America who were spreading this false propaganda? People like Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz - people who took an oath to uphold the Constitution (not to obey the President) and protect America. Instead, they have deeply damaged our Constitutional system with their crackpot "unitary executive" theory, have brought shame on our country with torture and illegal kidnapping, and have gotten more Americans killed in Iraq than the terrorists did on September 11th.

Osama bin Laden could never have dreamed of doing as much damage to America than folks like the above have done to ourselves. Sadly as this was being done, the New York Times was doing its best imitation of Fox "News" and utterly failing the American people by not questioning the drivel it was being fed from the White House.

ahab wrote:

L Day wrote:Charlie - It we defined every term we used, it would, unnecessarily I think, overburden our comments to the point of making them unreadable. Especially when the words used are hardly arbitrary in their meaning. In time of war I think the rather obvious definition of "our enemies" is anyone who either actively engages in, or promotes, the killing of Americans, whether those Americans are members of the military or civilians. You knew that.

read: Newspeak
you pretty much defined it.

did you mean to say "overburden our thinking"?

Ahab, do you have a brain in your fucking head? Or is it just air in there?

Oh, and this might surprise you, but I know who my enemies are, and you're not them. I count all you assholes among my friends. The following is a birthday wish that just came in from another good friend of mine in Germany. Enjoy!

Larry,

Hey how are you!!! I'm very sorry I was not able to talk to you last night on your birthday. I got home pretty late and stuff to do, but that is definitely no excuse! I hope you had a great day and were able to spend it with Chris and Alex. My parents told me that they took you out to Santa Fe Red's... lucky.

Germany is great. I flew twice today, 4 against 4 intercepts. it was nice, i got to go supersonic for the first time here, the germans are really anal about that kind of shit. You have to be above 36,000 ft and in a climb to do it legally(they put this restriction because 9 out of 10 jets cant go supersonic in a climb), but we sure as shit can, and did!!! We flew twice today, that is kind of the normal here, fly, hot fuel on the ground, and then take right off again. I'm over half way through my training course here, and after this course i'll be a full up combat round instead of just a training round.

I'm looking to go to Turkey in a month and a half if the squadron can get me finished with MQT. that should be interesting, but a great learning experience. Lori is doing great, she is going to start work in about two weeks doing substitute teaching for the time being until she finds a full time job. Its pretty limited here as far as getting a job she finds interesting.

Well, thats about it for us, let me know how tihngs are going, i'll have to call you guys here eventually, I barely find time to call all of my family with the time zone difference, everytime your on your off break, i'm sleeping, and vice versa.

Take care Larry, you are a great friend. Please say hi to the family.

Max

Max is the son of my best friend, an F16 pilot, and he risks his life every day to protect all of us, whether you appreciate it or not.

L Day wrote:Charlie - It we defined every term we used, it would, unnecessarily I think, overburden our comments to the point of making them unreadable. ........

These assumptions are critical in my view. Like the "we're winning" terms you've been dropping lately. Any research into actually understanding the warlords and/or forces unaffiliated with the pentagon will tell you the so called "winning" is more than likely a rest/regroup for when the US troop surge begins to withdraw (if ever).

Shades of grey are what concern me. Not defining these terms are problematic in both understanding the situation (if that's even possible) as well as convincing anyone these efforts are going anywhere.

Happy B-Dhey Larry!

And don't think for second I don't appreciate it. I am from Hopkinsville, KY (i.e Ft Campbell). One of my closest friend's Dad just got back to the States. He had been given last rights in the field 3 weeks ago because of a roadside bomb. He was shipped over 6 months ago as a stop loss CSM and he's 59.

I have a fair share of friends/family in this exercise just so you know but that's one of the things that motivates me to look for the shades of grey. Wish I could do something about it.

I am pretty sure I am not the enemy, but I am also not sure if I know who is.