Fascism
Overhung, which point in particular, because as far as I can tell, when I talk to a lot of people its obvious that a lot of those ideas are dead on, especially identifying enemies, military supremacy, obsession with national security, and religion. Sure, other administrations could be shown or made to appear in this way however the turn towards fascism, and the desire to remain in power is likely a gradual swing and would span many administration.
L k Day...Crazy as usual.
L k Day...Crazy as usual.
How you compare may not be as important as to whom you are compared
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Re: Fascism
You make my case for me. The piece is mindnumbingly stupid. Anyone that thinks it's absolutely spot on wouldn't change their mind no matter how thoroughly the whole thing was debunked, so why bother?Alan Evil wrote:http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
This is nicely laid out but I am sure that a good debater could refute many of the comparisons drawn.
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Times Change, But Collectivist Message Remains Constant
We must organize all labor, no matter how dirty and arduous it may be, so
that every [citizen] may regard himself as part of that great army of free
labor.... The generation that is now fifteen years old must arrange all
their tasks of education in such a way that every day, and in every city,
the young people shall engage in the practical solution of the problems of
common labor, even of the smallest, most simple kind.
- Vladimir Lenin
Imagine an army of 100,000 young people restoring urban and rural
communities and giving their labor in exchange for education and
training.... [National Service] will harness the energy of our youth and
attack the problems of our time. It literally has the potential to
revolutionize the way young people all across America look at their country
and feel about themselves.
- Bill Clinton
[T]here is the great silent, continuous struggle; the struggle between the
State and the individual; between the State which demands and the
Individual who attempts to evade such demands. Because the individual, left
to himself, unless he be a saint or a hero, always refuses to pay taxes,
obey laws, or go to war.
- Benito Mussolini
I'm here because I want to redefine the meaning of citizenship in
America.... f you're asked in school, "What does it mean to be a good
citizen?" I want the answer to be, "Well, to be a good citizen, you have to
obey the law, you've got to go to work or be in school, you've got to pay
your taxes and - oh, yes, you have to serve...."
- Bill Clinton
All the people I know who are driving for a form of national service,
primarily want it to be compulsory. They realize that's a terrible problem
politically, so they're not willing to say it. It is endangerment of
freedom and the potential for indoctrination that skeptics do not like in
the national service concept. However benign the program, some think it
will not succeed on any meaningful scale unless it is compulsory.
- Martin Anderson, senior fellow at the Hoover Institution Boston Globe,
November 29, 1992
In his April 5 radio address outlining the goals of the summit, the
President endorsed compulsory volunteerism - and even called for extending
it to middle schools. In other words, the man who so famously avoided the
dangerous duty of fighting in Vietnam as a young man now proposes drafting
a new generation
of young people to perform a different set of difficult tasks.
- New York Post editorial, April 27, 1997
Fascism finds it necessary, at the outset, to take away from the ordinary
human being what he has been taught and has grown to cherish the most:
personal liberty. And it can be affirmed, without falling into
exaggeration, that a curtailment of personal liberty not only has proved to
be, but necessarily must be, a fundamental condition of the triumph of
Fascism.
- Mario Palmieri
The Philosophy of Fascism (1936)
[W]hen we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical
Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of
individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had
that freedom would use it responsibly.... [However, now] there's a lot of
irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there's too much freedom. When
personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it.
- Bill Clinton
Before they have their own families, the young can make a unique
contribution to the family of America. In doing so, they can acquire the
habit of service, and get a deeper understanding of what it really means to
be a citizen. That is the main reason, perhaps, why we are here.
- Bill Clinton
Family - see Fascist State.
- Benito Mussolini's Fascist dictionary
We're here for the first President's Summit for America's Future - to
mobilize every community and challenge every citizen and to ask our young
people to become citizen-servants, too.
- Bill Clinton
According to Fascism, a true, a great spiritual life cannot take place
unless the State has risen to a position of pre-eminence in the world of
man. The curtailment of liberty thus becomes justified at once, with this
need of raising the State to its rightful position.
- Mario Palmieri
What they're trying to do is enslave our society by taking our children's
rights away. Young people who go through these [mandatory community
service] programs learn to submit, and later on they won't mind giving up a
few more of their rights when the government says it's necessary.
- Thomas Moralis (father of two students denied high school diplomas for
not complying with a mandatory service requirement)
When an opponent says, "I will not come over to your side," I calmly say,
"Your child belongs to us already.... What are you? You will pass on. Your
descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will
know nothing else but this new community."
- Adolf Hitler
We need a national-corporate commitment to public service to look after
[the elderly]. We aren't able to provide resources unless the young pay
something for their patrimony through public service.
- William F. Buckley Jr. in Mother Jones magazine
We will not recognize [American Fascism] as it rises. It will wear no black
shirts here. It will probably have no marching songs. It will rise out of a
congealing of a group of elements that exist here and that are the
essential components of Fascism....
It will be at first decorous, humane, glowing with homely American
sentiment. But a dictatorship cannot remain benevolent. To continue, it
must become ruthless. When this stage is reached we shall see that appeal
by radio, movies, and government-controlled newspapers to all the worst
instincts and emotions of our people. The rough, the violent, the lawless
men will come to the surface and into power. This is the terrifying
prospect as we move along our present course.
- John T. Flynn
Writing in the American Mercury, February 1941
Thought I should edit this. I think Clinton is the best prez we ever had. Just pointing out that random comments can be construed to say whatever one wants them to say. I hate GDUB and think he should be impeached, but the type of message contained in the original post smacks of those corny emails people pass back and forth about Wal-Mart and world domination, and the fact that Target stores are systematically killing gulf war veterans.
We must organize all labor, no matter how dirty and arduous it may be, so
that every [citizen] may regard himself as part of that great army of free
labor.... The generation that is now fifteen years old must arrange all
their tasks of education in such a way that every day, and in every city,
the young people shall engage in the practical solution of the problems of
common labor, even of the smallest, most simple kind.
- Vladimir Lenin
Imagine an army of 100,000 young people restoring urban and rural
communities and giving their labor in exchange for education and
training.... [National Service] will harness the energy of our youth and
attack the problems of our time. It literally has the potential to
revolutionize the way young people all across America look at their country
and feel about themselves.
- Bill Clinton
[T]here is the great silent, continuous struggle; the struggle between the
State and the individual; between the State which demands and the
Individual who attempts to evade such demands. Because the individual, left
to himself, unless he be a saint or a hero, always refuses to pay taxes,
obey laws, or go to war.
- Benito Mussolini
I'm here because I want to redefine the meaning of citizenship in
America.... f you're asked in school, "What does it mean to be a good
citizen?" I want the answer to be, "Well, to be a good citizen, you have to
obey the law, you've got to go to work or be in school, you've got to pay
your taxes and - oh, yes, you have to serve...."
- Bill Clinton
All the people I know who are driving for a form of national service,
primarily want it to be compulsory. They realize that's a terrible problem
politically, so they're not willing to say it. It is endangerment of
freedom and the potential for indoctrination that skeptics do not like in
the national service concept. However benign the program, some think it
will not succeed on any meaningful scale unless it is compulsory.
- Martin Anderson, senior fellow at the Hoover Institution Boston Globe,
November 29, 1992
In his April 5 radio address outlining the goals of the summit, the
President endorsed compulsory volunteerism - and even called for extending
it to middle schools. In other words, the man who so famously avoided the
dangerous duty of fighting in Vietnam as a young man now proposes drafting
a new generation
of young people to perform a different set of difficult tasks.
- New York Post editorial, April 27, 1997
Fascism finds it necessary, at the outset, to take away from the ordinary
human being what he has been taught and has grown to cherish the most:
personal liberty. And it can be affirmed, without falling into
exaggeration, that a curtailment of personal liberty not only has proved to
be, but necessarily must be, a fundamental condition of the triumph of
Fascism.
- Mario Palmieri
The Philosophy of Fascism (1936)
[W]hen we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical
Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of
individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had
that freedom would use it responsibly.... [However, now] there's a lot of
irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there's too much freedom. When
personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it.
- Bill Clinton
Before they have their own families, the young can make a unique
contribution to the family of America. In doing so, they can acquire the
habit of service, and get a deeper understanding of what it really means to
be a citizen. That is the main reason, perhaps, why we are here.
- Bill Clinton
Family - see Fascist State.
- Benito Mussolini's Fascist dictionary
We're here for the first President's Summit for America's Future - to
mobilize every community and challenge every citizen and to ask our young
people to become citizen-servants, too.
- Bill Clinton
According to Fascism, a true, a great spiritual life cannot take place
unless the State has risen to a position of pre-eminence in the world of
man. The curtailment of liberty thus becomes justified at once, with this
need of raising the State to its rightful position.
- Mario Palmieri
What they're trying to do is enslave our society by taking our children's
rights away. Young people who go through these [mandatory community
service] programs learn to submit, and later on they won't mind giving up a
few more of their rights when the government says it's necessary.
- Thomas Moralis (father of two students denied high school diplomas for
not complying with a mandatory service requirement)
When an opponent says, "I will not come over to your side," I calmly say,
"Your child belongs to us already.... What are you? You will pass on. Your
descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will
know nothing else but this new community."
- Adolf Hitler
We need a national-corporate commitment to public service to look after
[the elderly]. We aren't able to provide resources unless the young pay
something for their patrimony through public service.
- William F. Buckley Jr. in Mother Jones magazine
We will not recognize [American Fascism] as it rises. It will wear no black
shirts here. It will probably have no marching songs. It will rise out of a
congealing of a group of elements that exist here and that are the
essential components of Fascism....
It will be at first decorous, humane, glowing with homely American
sentiment. But a dictatorship cannot remain benevolent. To continue, it
must become ruthless. When this stage is reached we shall see that appeal
by radio, movies, and government-controlled newspapers to all the worst
instincts and emotions of our people. The rough, the violent, the lawless
men will come to the surface and into power. This is the terrifying
prospect as we move along our present course.
- John T. Flynn
Writing in the American Mercury, February 1941
Thought I should edit this. I think Clinton is the best prez we ever had. Just pointing out that random comments can be construed to say whatever one wants them to say. I hate GDUB and think he should be impeached, but the type of message contained in the original post smacks of those corny emails people pass back and forth about Wal-Mart and world domination, and the fact that Target stores are systematically killing gulf war veterans.
Last edited by overhung on Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I've had just about enough of this shit.
