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[dlewis101]

Yeah, i would say that the ethics has gone down hill over the past few years. I work out in a climbing gym also and enjoy it, but I see a lot of gym climbers go outside with no clue of how to conduct themselves.

There should be a remedial outdoor climbing class

[Steve]

First lesson, don't run your rope directly thru the anchors. Thank you!

[deleted username]

If you walked up to a sport route like Eureka and it had draws hanging on it for like 10 days straight, you're telling me you would leave them there after you climbed it? Would you just clip that persons draws or would you add another. No way, I'd bet you'd take every last one of them.

What the hell's the difference if they're hanging on a 5.13? If it's an FA project that's one thing, but if it's a popular route, take em.

[sparky]

The one comment i have about working a route and leaving your draws on it is that it doesn't give you exclusive rights to the route until you finish your project. Most peolpe are really nice and if you want to get on the route there trying to send they'll let you have a go. On the other hand my partner and i got up early one day to go send a route in the morning while it was still cool, when we got to the route there were draws hanging the whole way up. Since the owner wasn't around i decided to hang my own and rack there draws then re-hang there draws when my partner cleaned. When my partner was half way through the cleaning and rehanging process the owners of the draws showed up and demand to know why we where on "their route" and stealing "their draws" I tried to explain what we were doing but they didn't seem to get it and they only got more pissed off so my partner finished the route rapped off and then we left for bigger and better things.

[Bruisebrother]

I'm with JB on this one, if there's draws on an F.S. approved first ascent in the Gorge or a red tagged route on private land they're safe. If not they're mine!!! Anybody got a problem with that!