When there is competition for your business, as there is in Louisville, I would worry about those details. Even if the larger profit margin is from kids' groups, climbers are still part of the business.
However, there are plenty of new routes at RS - Dana just hasn't been there in awhile.
Louisville climbers
We are blessed here in Wind Gap, PA. Our gym, albeit rather small, has close to 100 quality routes. They generally keep the really good routes that are seeing lots of traffic up for 12 months. Those that are not as popular get taken down sooner. On average, there are about 3 new routes each week. Notice is given in advance of what routes are going to be taken down so those who are working on them will know ahead of time.
The route setters here set some really good routes, they are well thought out and are of different styles requiring different climbing techniques. The bouldering seems to have new problems on a regular basis as well.
It's interesting to hear people who are travelling close to an hour each way to climb here because of the quality of the gym even though there are closer ones to them.
GWG
The route setters here set some really good routes, they are well thought out and are of different styles requiring different climbing techniques. The bouldering seems to have new problems on a regular basis as well.
It's interesting to hear people who are travelling close to an hour each way to climb here because of the quality of the gym even though there are closer ones to them.
GWG
I agree, good route setting makes or breaks a climbing gym for real rock climbers. VA use to have two really good route setters who put a lot of thought and time into setting good routes - they both moved away about 5 years ago. And now that bouldering is all the rage just like the latest "boy band" (slopers), route setting gets ignored over setting boulder problems.
"Climbing is the spice, not the meal." ~ Lurkist
I've been there. That's a good gym. PA has several good gym's, maybe the lack of awesome real climbing makes the gym's try harder...GWG wrote:We are blessed here in Wind Gap, PA. Our gym, albeit rather small, has close to 100 quality routes.
I think the key to a good gym for real climbers is having a large and extensive bouldering area. That way you don't need a partner to go get a good workout. The philly rock gym in oaks had that (haven't been there in years) and the gym i went to in vegas had that.
A very wise man I worked for a while back spelled out truth to me one day. That conversation has been with me ever since.....
Everyone everywhere bitches about problems. Turn over a rock anywhere and you'll find something's wrong. Thing is, bitching has absolutely no credibility unless it's accompanied by an alternative or a solution. Bitching without suggestions for change are simply noise and it's a waste of time for you to do it, and for anyone to listen to it.
So, you go to the gym, the problems aren't changed often enough, ask them if you and your friends can set some freaking problems. Otherwise your bitching is simply an annoyance, at best.
Everyone everywhere bitches about problems. Turn over a rock anywhere and you'll find something's wrong. Thing is, bitching has absolutely no credibility unless it's accompanied by an alternative or a solution. Bitching without suggestions for change are simply noise and it's a waste of time for you to do it, and for anyone to listen to it.
So, you go to the gym, the problems aren't changed often enough, ask them if you and your friends can set some freaking problems. Otherwise your bitching is simply an annoyance, at best.
well, unless you pay for a membership, right charlie...shouldn't we expect good problems if we pay to play? I mean, do I also have to clean the toilet in the gym if I don't like that?
however, if you mooch by not paying, then, yes, set routes...
shamis is a hypocrite...he climbs at my wall, and has never took a hold off the wall in over a year. hell, I don't think he has ever added a hold to the wall. he just tightens holds after he spins them...so ignore his whining.
however, if you mooch by not paying, then, yes, set routes...
shamis is a hypocrite...he climbs at my wall, and has never took a hold off the wall in over a year. hell, I don't think he has ever added a hold to the wall. he just tightens holds after he spins them...so ignore his whining.
Positive vibes brah...positive vibes.
In a perfect world, traffic would flow nicely, taxes would take care of our USFS visits so we wouldn't have to pay to enter parks, healthcare would be affordable, and gym dues would guarantee stacks of problems at your level, and they change often.
Expect what you want, but sometimes you have to sack up and take responsibility for filling in the gaps. It's not your "right" to have what you expect. It is however your "right" to try and help the world meet your expectations.
Expect what you want, but sometimes you have to sack up and take responsibility for filling in the gaps. It's not your "right" to have what you expect. It is however your "right" to try and help the world meet your expectations.
Who doesn't love to disco.Oh yeah, Disco's cool. I'll vouch for him (not that that helps much).
I see my question about Louisville gyms has sparked a 2 page discussion. Glad to help out.
I did learn that anticlmber considers himself a pain in the ass, Meadows has passes to Rocksport (I like free!), if I climb in a gym with dmw we would probably end up bitching about it and making fun of people, and because of the "boy band" phenomenon, route setting in gyms is being ignored.
Really, the bottom line is that I like beer. Carry on...