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[ATLdude]

"all I care about is M- E.... My Enjoyment." Homer Simpson

[rjackson]

This is sport climbing. Anything under 5.14 is just practice anyway.

[chriss]

However it seems there is a correlation between super classic routes and ones that are considered really hard for the grade. That was my point beeatches.

So the solid grade makes the route better? Seems like a silly claim to me. I am pretty sure all those routes you mentioned would be exactly the same regardless of the grade.

[Buster]

you are missing the point young jedi

[pigsteak]

yes young jedi...the goal is for all us old farts to be able to spray. yo dude, I did "mercenary" a sandbag/slash route now only given a 13c, but all of us pansy locals KNOW it is at least 13c++

slash routes are just one more pathetic attempt to subtle spray, but have the numbers do it for you....soul ram is soul ram...8 ball is 8 ball...mind meld is mind meld...the climbing would be the same, and the rewrds as fulfilling, if they were 5.8 or 5.48....

that being said, sandbagging is like a kayne west/50 cent "thug brawl"..just a way to bring in publicity....

[Josephine]

What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;

[chriss]

that being said, sandbagging is like a kayne west/50 cent "thug brawl"..just a way to bring in publicity....

oh sand bagging. I get it, like those "11c" moves at the top of sweet tater?

[charlie]

that being said, sandbagging is like a kayne west/50 cent "thug brawl"..just a way to bring in publicity....

Lame. In the days of gri gris, auto locking carabiners, backed up rappels, stick clips, and curbside parking everything is just too freakin easy. Soccer and video games are harder and less mainstream than rockclimbing.

Is it that big of a deal when you have to earn the grade? Humility is a good thing.

[TradMike]

Shouldn't a route be graded on its hardest move? Does "/" just mean one can't make up their mind on what to grade it? And what's up with these positive and negative routes? Does positive mean you thought it was a good whatever and negative mean it's a bad whatever? And all this "R" and "X" stuff. Why would someone go and make a route rated "R" or "X". Then the romans somehow became involed I II III IV V VI. A5WI9@#$%^&*

[RRO]

pigsnut, pigsnuts, pigsnuts. which routes stick in your head ? ones that were easy for the grade with great climbing or ones that were hard for the grade with great climbing. to me when i get up to the top of something that is way easy for the grade, i think yeah that was a decent route but easier than i thought it would be. when i get to the top of something that really made me think and try for the grade, i think f%^$ yeah !!! and thats it. if your just chasing grades thats one thing, go for the soft stuff and fluff the resume, you just may get some shoes out of it. but if your climbing for climbings sake enjoy the challenge, hope the routes are tough and make you earn em and dont let your # grade get in the way of a good time.