Flash Effort

[chriss]

You can insert Onsight instead of flash if that makes you comfortable.

Uh, no, you can't.

Pru and her infinity of wisdom has spoken. Sorry Justin, chalk on holds, especially tick marks, negate any onsights . I guess you should stick to slab climbs after a heavy rain.

[anticlmber]

onsights exist. as long as there is HP40 trick beta, rifle knee-bars, short beta/tall person's beta, etc. there will be onsights. just cuz you might suck at it and choose to bring everyone to your level doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[ynot]

it's no onsight if you have beta. chaulk on the holds? the jury is still out on that one.

[anticlmber]

chalk is chalk. still don't know what to expect. besides,(and all at the red should know this) chalk does not equal a hold.

[512OW]

And beta isn't always right. Chalk does give you an idea of where to go and what sequence to use. Thats not a real onsight... just a "sport" onsight, which is actually a flash.

[pawilkes]

but if you're climbing sport, you can just call it an onsight because it is well known that true onsights are impossible. an "onsight" then is just having beta from what you see as you go up the route, even if it is chalk, whereas an flash means you've gotten beta before hand by scoping the route out and talking to people.

[Toy]

And beta isn't always right. Chalk does give you an idea of where to go and what sequence to use. Thats not a real onsight... just a "sport" onsight, which is actually a flash.

Doesn't the crack tell you where to go in trad climbing?

[anticlmber]

BURN!!!!!!!!!

[chriss]

And beta isn't always right. Chalk does give you an idea of where to go and what sequence to use. Thats not a real onsight... just a "sport" onsight, which is actually a flash.

Doesn't the crack tell you where to go in trad climbing?

Doesn't the bolts tell you where to go in sport climbing?

[anticlmber]

Nah, all that bolted stuff is contrived anyway. but a minor burn attempt. maybe some aloe and it will go away.