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So they are going after semi automatics too. I'm not suprised.

I realize decent, intelligent arguments are almost impossible on an internet message board but i have to ask some questions of gunslinga, gulliver, michaelzr, ynot and whoever else feels comfortable answering. I am pro gun-control and would like to understand what the other side believes.
1) Do you feel guns are important to your personal safety and the safety of your family?
2) Do you think guns protect us from an unjust government?
3) Do you use guns for hunting?
4) If you were being robbed and had an opportunity to shoot the thief, how much money (if any) would you be willing to give up in order not to shoot him?

1) not necessarily
2) no
3) yes
4) He'd have to pay me not to shoot him. I wouldn't shoot to kill, of course. Ass-shots are mighty embarassing and get the point across well.

Guns? Just a replacement for small penises.

1. Yes
2. No
3. Couldn't do it
4. My right to protect myself surpasses another's right to hurt me.

(1) no
(2) no
(3) no
(4) I wouldn't shoot anyone over money. The question sounds like some how I've gained control, so no, only a sociopath would shoot someone just on principle or for funsies. And you don't ever point a gun at someone unless you're prepared to use it. So, you think that out...consider that they've thought that out too. If someone is using a gun to rob you......?
It doesn't mean either one of you have to.

Personally, I think there's a place for gun registration, owner background screening, No place for certain things like Mac 10's, AK's are cheap lousy weapons ( but simple and easy to fix) and their appeal is they are cheap and feed the same kid-like response that a lot of people have with the gadgetry of warfare.

I don't support gun controls as they have been. There's a group that would have them all done away with, but it's the lunatic fringe that's used by the equal group of lunatics that think anytime the issue is brought up they're going to lose all their guns.

gladhander wrote:I realize decent, intelligent arguments are almost impossible on an internet message board but i have to ask some questions of gunslinga, gulliver, michaelzr, ynot and whoever else feels comfortable answering. I am pro gun-control and would like to understand what the other side believes.
1) Do you feel guns are important to your personal safety and the safety of your family?
2) Do you think guns protect us from an unjust government?
3) Do you use guns for hunting?
4) If you were being robbed and had an opportunity to shoot the thief, how much money (if any) would you be willing to give up in order not to shoot him?

It always strikes me as ironic that the folks who live in the boonies surrounded by pretty similar middle class white people are the ones who talk about needing guns for self-protection from supposed home invasions. Where I live in Chicago, there was drug dealing off a neighbor's front steps, gang graffiti and activity all around, housing projects a few blocks south of me and my apartment was broken into a couple of years ago. But having a gun in my home sounds like a terrible idea. There's the old statistical question - for every situation where a home gun is used for real 'self defense', how many people are shot in arguments and suicide attempts? How bad does that ratio have to get to be acceptable?

The other irony is that of all the questions above, I most support the idea that the government should have a fear of the general population as a check on their power. Realistically, though, I'm skeptical that the population would really stand up to a dangerous government - the current situation being a prime example. I'm also skeptical that if the military and police were generally loyal to the government, that the general public armed with small arms would be much of a match. I think that the combination of strong limits on government surveillance and the ability of the population to sabotage would be more likely to bring an out of control government to its knees.

As for hunting, it's not my thing, but when the government tries to actually take away real hunting rifles and shotguns, I'll be there to defend your right to own one. (No, not fourty, and no I don't think that an AK is a 'real' hunting gun)

How about the NRA? I know an Air Force vet who dropped his membership. Back when they were a gun safety and education group, he joined up. But when they turned into an extremist group, he dropped his membership. And this guy is no left-winger - he's a conservative Catholic, anti-big government who votes almost exclusively Republican.

#1. Yes
#2. no, but who knows, I'm sure the First Americans did'nt think so, what a suprise.
#3. Yes, and a bow and arrow, which is just as deadly in my hands, and quiet.
#4. I believe that my life comes first, How do I know the Thug won't kill me after he takes my wallet, watch, etc.etc. Many of these guys are desparate and usually don't want any witnesses. I can't fully answer your question, having never been in that situation, however if my wife and daughter were there, I'd blow his fucking brains out to prevent even the thought of them getting hurt and sleep like a baby.

Do some archiving, this is not the first thread on this subject.
I too believe in some gun control, but registration, surrender, ATF home inspections, are you fucking kidding me? Deal with your fears your way and I'll deal with mine my way, leave my guns alone and when your in trouble, me and guys like me, will probably be the ones who save you. THE PROBLEM WITH GUN CONTROL IS THAT IT DOES'NT STOP ANYTHING! It's warm fuzzy feel good legislation based on the fears of the few rather than the beliefs of the many. Google Hitler, just before WW2 he took all legal citizens guns from them to make it safer, yeah that worked. Google England and Frances problems with violent crime, they're unarmed and the criminals know it, easy pickens. I refuse to be a victim, and I could care less about why they steal or how the system failed them. When you outlaw, cars, knives, baseball bats, steel pipes, hammers, rocks, spears, chinese stars, chain saws, etc. etc. Then I will surrender my guns, untill then, good luck.

And you don't ever point a gun at someone unless you're prepared to use it. So, you think that out...consider that they've thought that out too. If someone is using a gun to rob you......?
It doesn't mean either one of you have to.

I only have one problem with that logic, if you have a gun and you don't use it, will you let the guy take it, to be used on others??? So, if no, then why have one at all? I carry, legally, and I'm well trained to use my weapon if need be, so the question changes to, what do I do if he takes my gun because I didnt want to defend myself, because inherently I knew he would not kill me if I gave him everything?

gunslnga wrote:
I only have one problem with that logic, if you have a gun and you don't use it, will you let the guy take it, to be used on others??? So, if no, then why have one at all? I carry, legally, and I'm well trained to use my weapon if need be, so the question changes to, what do I do if he takes my gun because I didnt want to defend myself, because inherently I knew he would not kill me if I gave him everything?

I hear ya! If you choose to carry a gun then you accept any and all consequences that could arise from that. I carry as well, legally, and am well trained, due mostly to the Army. And I understand the self defense laws. Which say that, armed or unarmed, if an asailant threatens you (by robbery or aggression) You can pull your weapon on him. It then goes to the individuals own mind to decide whether or not to pull the trigger. Unless I feel a significant threat to my life or others I will not touch the trigger.
The Military gave me the quick reasoning skills to make split second choices like that. And with ample training anyone can.
Sometimes I feel it's TOO easy to aquire firearms in this country. Although I will fight to the death the right to do so.