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you rock Yas.

Thanks, Trad Granddaddy!

pigsteak wrote:Why not a new term for the guide so we can list all our friends who helped with the line, but never actually sent first?

Yasmeen wrote:Hehehe, I'm not worried. It's just always fun giving Piggie shit. =)

People Included Gave Some Help, I Think

just a thought....

r.r.

I agree, its not a big deal to put multiple names after the FA. It seems clear enough that the first name listed has done the route's first ascent clean on lead.

All you can infer about the other names listed is that they were "involved" somehow. If there is a desire to give them a more specific qualification to their "involvement" then I believe another placeholder would be necessary.

redpointron wrote:
People Included Gave Some Help, I Think



r.r.

now that is funny............

pigsnuts is just goofy

http://www.redriverclimbing.com/RRCGuid ... hp?id=1913
http://www.redriverclimbing.com/RRCGuid ... hp?id=1562

just cause i have more free time than needed today, its rainy as heck and most important i like giving pigsguts a hard time.

kipp, so why did you list yourself as equipper on the first and why do you have 3 fa's on the second and why in the hell are we all wasting our time and storage space to talk about something as goofy as how many names you want on a climb ?


just keep the guidebook how it is and how it has been for guidebooks in the past. i think im not gonna report anymore routes that go up. maybe just areas and say go explore. bolts may or not be on the wall and cracks may or not appear.

so tackett, why do you even say "equipper'? why not just put your name second on the FA?

r.r.......that hurts...cuts real bad man.

rro...my point exactly.....I have been getting different "advice" from 13 different people at the Red as to how to write up a route. So my routes reflect all these varying opinions offered by you sages...geesh.

I grew up thinking that FA meant, at the very least, you actually sent the route, whether TR or 52nd go.

But what I am hearing now is, FA has very little to do with actual climbing, and more to do with a pajama party at the base.

And I am cool with that...

how about listing no FA's in the guidebooks? who really cares anyway?

RRO wrote:just cause i have more free time than needed today,

Log onto the damn chat once inna while. WTF?

pigsteak wrote:
how about listing no FA's in the guidebooks? who really cares anyway?

thats THE smartest thing i have heard you say, ever. but apparantly you must really care or it wouldnt get brought up every week............

and pigsnuts, do your homework before you start throwing a fit. look at your guide books, past and present. johnny, terry, hugh, chirs martin, rob mcfall, neal strickland all have quite a few routes that they equipped are noted for in the books and someone else has the fa. also as i said earlier look at some of the old trad routes. you got 3,4 hell even 6 people listed as the fa on a lot of climbs.

i honestly dont care if my name is listed on any route. dude, its climbing a rock, we are not saving the world. if someone that has the authority to change my name to "blank", "team suck" or " i dont give a rats ass" as the fa then you have my permission to change wherever my name appears in a route description and leave it that way forever.

you know how much i despise drama. fa listing drama is not at the top of my list of things to worry about right now. but thanks, its very possible i will not document another climb that i put up to avoid the bullshit and it will save my time on keeping records and logging them in the online guide for others to climb. guess you cant please everyone. i think its funny, you go out find a route, spend $100 on hardware, invest 5-10 hours of work and someone still finds reasons to bitch. you know that more than anyone.

so dude in ending my involvement with this thread. document the routes how you see fit. if people dont like it, they can bolt or climb their own new route.

so for now, im going exploring and you can continue to sit at your little cubicle bored and stirring up shit.