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Sunshine wrote:Sandy, your idea is neither drastic or new. It is the old secret crag scenario. It would work for a little while. The problem lies with the fallibility of people. Some people aren't very good judges of character. They don't recognize dog shit when they see it. Some people pretend to care but don't. Others just need or want partners. For them it is just about their climbing and nothing more. Not the people or the place.

Sorry Sandy. It won't work.

I know you are right about human nature in the big picture, however if a plan like this cannot work, leaving Torrent open and doing all of the other things we have discussed here will not work, either.

please note that I have no personal agenda behind suggesting this idea, other than keeping Torrent open while also eliminating Mark and Kathy's frustrations. I don't climb at Torrent very often, and only then when I am forced to do so by my sport weenie partners.

Sandy I re-read your post. I don't know what I was thinking. Too much coffee here at Common Grounds I guess. I think it is a great idea! As you said, if we keep the number of users low and we can "police" ourselves, then it will work. I don't see how it couldn't. I will talk to Mark and Cathy. This will take no efforts on their part.

I think the best part would be towing jackasses cars!

Don't get greedy! But that would be such a beautiful thing! But you know that they would go to Mark and Cathy and whine. It could be like when Cartman won the lottery and bought an amusement park for his personal use.

Bill,
I am sure I have the original on DV (mini).
We are walking ouit the door now for Ky.
I am available Tuesday.

I think this is a great idea.

You are just copying the Google/Gmail business model. Show me something new, like you and Yasmeen making passionate outcries in foreign languages during Brokeback Mountain. New and innovative Sandy!

What about the people who don't live at the Red and only get a chance to road trip there once or twice per year? My partner and I visit maybe twice p/ year and we don't know any local climbers there, nor do we know anyone else from around here who goes there regularly. It sounds elitist to me. Why should someone assume that I'm irresponsible just because I don't happen to know anyone in the "in crowd"? The owner might as well close it completely and only let his "friends" come climb there. Perhaps if visiting climbers could contact the owner ahead of time and sign some kind of written agreement stating what days they would be climbing to provide some accountability. I'd hate to resort to slinking around Miguel's trying to find a "friend" to get me into the crag.

You may have missed the point that this is a potential option to total closures except for locals only.