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Sarcasm? I totally thought you were serious about TR through the anchors. Man do I see the error of my assumption about how much of a simpleton I thought you were I can now see that the assumption is true.

Thanks for setting me strait.

anytime!

I think we just experienced the truth!

gullwing,
When walking the trail to WOD and passing the campers (partiers) who leave toilet paper, beer cans, beenie-weenie cans, tampax, etc... laying around, "burning" live trees,
pitching their tents on the trail, that everyone who camps should be tested and issued a camping liscence.
If you are in violation, you get your liscence revoked and no more camping for you.

Jeff,

Now it would be impossible and silly to try and "police all aspects of the Red thats not your, mine or anyone else on this sites job. But us in the climbing community can be easily singled out by those who are in charge of the Red or even the private land owners. So the off the wall idea of making one earn the right to climb in those areas might allow us to continue climbing. And do a little less "Policing"
Also I didn't write what I did not expecting some obviouse criticism it is a very off the wall and proably impossible idea from my stand point, but with the right motivation somone with enough pull in the community could take an idea like that and mold it into somthing applicable.

Another thing, How do you do a "quote" on this site.

gullwing wrote:Another thing, How do you do a "quote" on this site.

You should should see a little button in the top right of the post you want to quote. Just hit it and that post will be quoted. You can also delete parts of that qoute. Just be sure to leave the begining and ending tag.

I don't think you think I am criticizing your post...not sure though.
I've had the same ideas when I see party campers. No critique meant.

Thanks for the tech info

And no I don't think you were critizing. I was just stream lining my idea of what could and could not work.

meetVA wrote:I like the idea if anything than to get people thinking before acting. Fisher's and hunters are required to have a permit and it is usually pretty cheap (<10$).

But, I don't think you have to pass a test to get one. Just throw down your money and you are good to go.

I think climbing gyms should be instilling some sort of ethics in the newbies. Generally a gym instructor should be able to tell if someone is interested in climbing outside and those people should be schooled in how to act outside.

When the elder of us started climbing at the cliffs, it was usually under the tutelage of someone that had been climbing outside for a while. "Ethics" may not have been perfect, but at least there was respect for the outdoors.

So - damn gyms are generating this mess - they should help clean it up. Dammit.

I am sure there are more things that can be added to the list of reasons of why things are the way they are, but I agree.
There should be some accountability.
Make money off of introducing climbers to climbing - accept responsibilty for the climbers you are producing.