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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:25 pm
by weber
Liz, here.

First I want to second Rick's heartfelt THANKS to all of the wonderful climbers who help us fight the forest fire at Muir. Damage to Muir Valley was extensive, but nothing compared to what it would have been without those wonderful climber volunteers. There was also loss of many personal items and damage to clothing and equipmewnt of the volunteers. Many of them were working with us from late afternoon until past 1 a.m. Sunday morning and back at it again very early Sunday morning as the fire flashed up again.

I also want to second StephyGs clarifying assumption that it was NOT the climbers in the valley who failed to report the fire, but the careless neighbor who set the fire by building an illegal recreational bonfire and leaving it unattended during a burning ban due to extreme fire danger conditions. Even after it was out of control and had already burned several acres of Muir Valley, she did not let us know. A passing climber noticed the smoke and called Rick and me at the other end of the valley.

When we drove through the valley blowing the horn, climbers respond FAST! We were amazed to see the first 50 or so show up within fifteen minutes!

Rick was exhausted, having been up all night when he made his post, but wanted to get out thanks out in a hurry. If you re-read his post, please understand that that he meant to communicate that it was the careless neighbor, and not climbers, who failed to notify us. The climbers were great!

And, by the way, one other thing I want to convey was how effectively the climbers were in working together as effective teams, even though many had not met each other before. Much of their expertise in building fire breaks appeared to have come from their trail building experience. Their effectiveness certainly put the professional fire fighters to shame.

All epics have funny twists. Rick will post some of the hair singeing events that happened during this "event."

Liz

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:30 pm
by michaelzr2
Good to hear that the fire was put out in time. Approximately what time did it start on Saturday? I was a Great Wall with some friends almost all day and we didn't have any idea that there was a fire.

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:56 pm
by weber
flashmaster wrote:Just wait till the spring it's going to look great! It's actually going to benifit the forest in the long run. As long as no one and nothing gets hurt/damaged.
Generally this can be true. However, years of logging by previous owners left huge piles of dry logs and debris adjacent to large, stately trees. Many trees about two feet in diameter, many rare plants such as wild orchids, all ground cover and much wildlife were killed in the areas burned. We'll post photos later. It's one thing to access fire damage to a wood lot, and quite another for a nature preserve. It will take years for the mountain laurel and holly to return to their former beauty.

Because the slopes of the valley are so steep, the effects of eroision will be huge. With Sunday's rain, the fire breaks running straight up the hill in many places are already flowing mud.

So, in this case, I would politely disagree that the fire was a "benefit" to the valley. Last year, Muir volunteers started removing logging leftovers and other fuel. But, it will take years to stabilize the Valley. Hopefully, we can keep fires at bay until the effects of a fire will be minimized and even beneficial when done in a controlled manner.

Rick

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:10 am
by randomboulder
Cheers to everyone who helped save the valley.

Rick - How would one contact you if I or someone else noticed something like this in the future? I don't know you personally, so I don't have a # or anything to call you at (my cell phone gets no signal at the red, anyway). I do own some Motorola Talkabouts, but don't always have them with me or have them on if I do. Should I use that? Does it have the range to reach someone across the valley?

Oh, and how did the climbers know to come down to help? From hearing the horn of a car? Word of mouth? Radio? Just curious to know how it all went down...

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:46 am
by Toad
Bat Light

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:42 pm
by ynot
The top of Tower burned once. I was up there last weekend and it looks back to normal. It's beautiful up there again. Anyone know how long ago that was? The thing about regrowth is that the greenbriars tend to take over first. They are worse than Rhodo for sure.

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:52 pm
by flashmaster
Remember, you have to look not only in the near future but the distant as well. I have a lot of expierence in fire and prescribed fire as well and have seen what the after affects are and how the eco system responds especially in logged out areas. What needs to be done is to rehab the containment lines to stop the erosion on them and then just wait and see. I dont want to seem like I'm disagreeing with you Rick I just want to give you some encouragement and a bright side to look at. Because there surely is one. The eco system is much more resiliant to fire than one would think. Time will tell. Cheers!

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:16 pm
by Overcammed
Man...I was at Muir (for the first time) on Saturday - spent the whole day at the Bruise Brother's wall. As we pulled out of the valley around 4:30 on saturday, we saw some smoke coming up from what looked like a farmer's backyard, but we didn't know that the valley went right up next to that, or really even what we were looking at. We assumed it just someone burning their trash...

I wish I would have known that there was a fire ban, or thought to drive by and look...sorry about that. The smoke didn't look that big at that point, so I guess it just wasn't something we considered.

For the future, what should people do if they see smoke around the valley, and don't have a cell phone that works? Again, sorry we couldn't have helped. There were frickin' 100 people at Miguels, I bet most of them would have helped too...

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:23 pm
by Christian
Overcammed makes a good point. If anyone had come down to Miguel's there would have been another 50 volunteers. Our crew would have helped but we heard nothing until yesterday.

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:12 pm
by weber
Christian wrote:Overcammed makes a good point. If anyone had come down to Miguel's there would have been another 50 volunteers. Our crew would have helped but we heard nothing until yesterday.
We know you all would have helped. We just had our hands too full to think clearly and call around. There were just enough volunteers from the Valley itself to knock the fire down Saturday night.

The next morning when the blaze had roared back with a vengence, we did go to Miguels, RRO, and True North. And, a bunch of sleepy heros came out to help save a lot of beautiful landscape. You are all great!

A lot of really weird, funny, scary stuff happened Saturday night up on those burning cliffs. I'll post more later.

Rick