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ninesixfour wrote: As far as The Red goes, B3 is much, much better and quite a bit easier.

Easy is not necessarily what we are after. The Quest. Sounds fun, can't wait to try it!

ninesixfour, so if B3 is quite a bit easier than The Quest, in your opinion is the Quest not 10c, or is B3 not 11b?

jcwhite, for sure it's not easy, and I agree with SCIN, it's definately fun. Pick a spell of dry weather and go for it.

Day wrote:So if B3 is quite a bit easier than The Quest, in your opinion is the Quest not 10c, or is B3 not 11b?

I think what 964 means is unless you're an offwidth/flare master, The Quest will feel very very hard. B3 is (obviously) more straightforward and will go much smoother if you're a 10+/11- crack climber. The same can't be said for The Quest... which surely is at least a little sandbag...

For example, the "10a" offwidth pitch on The Rostrum EASILY goes down in history as one of the most difficult pitches I've ever climbed... period. It was a nightmare. Things like the last pitch of The Quest almost can't be given a numerical rating... They're just miserably hard.

I was still so sore this morning that it hurt to put on my seatbelt.

It is what it is. Just because you aren't experienced in that form of climbing doesn't mean it's sandbagged. OW feels harder because you don't climb it. But watching folks who are technical strong with OW climbing (not me!) has shown me how pretty OW climbing can be. It doesn't have to be a grovel.

And BTW...
When I climbed the Quest, the next day I felt like I was in a car wreck!

Yeah, the OW section on the Quest is definitely the easiest pitch on the route...its maybe a 5.9+. Maybe...and I'm stretchin it.

Not being proficient at a technique is no reason to raise the grade.

I agree the last pitch of the quest is pretty mellow but not nearly as mellow as the overrated last pitch of the Rostrum. You can take a nap anywhere on that except the very start.

512OW wrote:Not being proficient at a technique is no reason to raise the grade.

Good Lord. No shit. I never suggested that the grade be raised... just that it was probably a little sandbag (which I prefer).

Call it 5.7 for all I care, 5.12OW. Easiest pitch on the route... you're such a stud.

And Danny, I was referring to (I think) the third-to-the-last pitch of the Rostrum, certainly not the last pitch... which was easy.

I'm just messin with ya. I couldn't even do the 11c crux.

Astroman wrote:

512OW wrote:Not being proficient at a technique is no reason to raise the grade.

Good Lord. No shit. I never suggested that the grade be raised... just that it was probably a little sandbag (which I prefer).

Call it 5.7 for all I care, 5.12OW. Easiest pitch on the route... you're such a stud.

And Danny, I was referring to (I think) the third-to-the-last pitch of the Rostrum, certainly not the last pitch... which was easy.

Sandbag? Doubtful. Stud? Proficient.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. I knew that if I jumped on the "much harder than B3" comment a flame war would result. Forgive me my evil grin.