Climber suicides
True on the above arguments - however. if a person died of a chronic disease - say cancer would they not leave saddened people behind? Alcoholism and heroin addiction are diseases - so is depression. Is it a nehative response to getting older? Some cases maybe but not all - a response to pain?- yes. However there could be some predestiny involved as well. Perhaps said persons were destined to go that way - who knows for sure. Personnaly - i see this this as not necessarily my destiny, but i understand and sympathize with those who have made this final decesion. Have also been with people who went "naturally" - hospice services et al give you so many narcotics you can't deal with reality anyway. and - you are out of your environment in an unfamiliar - reuseable facility.
Many natural deaths an accidental ones especially, are staged suicides but are done that way because of insurance purposes. The deceased didn't want to leave tons of unpaid expenses behind for thier survivors to deal with. I'll bet it's a pretty close number - high as it may seem.Zspider wrote:3 out of 15 is 20%. I don't have any figures at hand, but I don't think there's any way that's close to the blanket figures for the US or the world. I'm thinking maybe one out of a hundred, which would put that figure at 20 times the average.KD wrote:It's probably not an unusual number when you consider demographics. Lots of people commit suicide - more think about it.
ZSpider
a hospice houses the terminally ill, a situation that is not a choice. suicide requires choice and action. a grieving widow of a cancer patient doesn't think, "why did he do this to himself? was it something i said? did i not make him happy enough?" yes, depression can be a disease. however, in and of itself, it is not terminal. furthermore, a choice must be made whether or not to seek and receive help. i'll stay away from saying that there's always a chance, a window, in which those people have a clear enough picture to make that choice.. though i will say it's there most of the time. another thing, depression is an overdiagnosed "disease" in the country today. you might be depressed.. but are you suffering from a clinical disease known as depression? have it looked into and think about seriously on your own. do you have absolutely no control over whether or not you're happy? what sort of thoughts and actions do you have? are you or are you not in control? this rush to diagnose everyone as victims of depression, the "depressed" i think detracts from people taking responsibility for their feelings and actions. people get sad.. people get sad for a long time. it happens. but that doesn't make you a victim of the clinical disease of depression.
"most of us are just about as happy as we make up our minds to be." -william adams
"most of us are just about as happy as we make up our minds to be." -william adams
and great loves will one day have to part -smashing pumpkins
by the way, KD, a twenty percent per deaths suicide rate is about twenty times higher than what it was recordered as in 2000. that'd be a whole lot of hiding and covering up.. especially since more than half of the suicides are done with a firearm.
..sorry.. didn't realize ZSpyder already noted this..
..sorry.. didn't realize ZSpyder already noted this..
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and great loves will one day have to part -smashing pumpkins
Did yall read about Hunter S Thompson when he killed himself. He was just done with life and wanted to move on, so he did. His family didn't even seem too screwed up about it. They interviewed with his son about it. He had very casual take on the whole thing. He was essential like, my father was done with his life, didn't want to die a slow horrible death, so he ended it on his own terms. It was kinda like what KD described, but the people around him understood it for what it was and didn't get all crazy and shit.