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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:06 pm
by Zspider
J-Rock wrote:That would probably save a lot of time. If there were such a thing then we would probably have more than 300 routes at Muir Valley already. I wonder how powerful the drills will be in another 20-30 years...
That's interesting. Does your drill load when you're drilling? I figured the limiting factor wasn't the drill's power but how hard you could push on it. But I'm clueless when it comes to putting up routes.
ZSpider
Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 2:26 pm
by dhoyne
To avoid trampling of delicate flora, such as wildflowers, mosses, and ferns, please stick to the existing trails. Please do not bushwhack or “Rhodothrash” to explore new areas.......We all wish to preserve the natural beauty of the Valley as much as possible. It only takes a few explorers taking off willie nilly across country to spoil some of this landscape.
Rick, how does this apply to hiking / wandering around the valley? I rather enjoy walking around getting lost out there...
Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 2:45 pm
by J-Rock
Most often the limiting factor is battery longevity. The hammer drills are quite powerful and can drill a hole in 10-15 seconds. This varies greatly and depends on many factors such as temperature, rock hardness, sharpness of the drill bit, etc. Usually it is possible to drill 10-20 holes per charge. With an extra battery this comes out to 30-40 holes/day.
Also, for every 5.12 route that we equip there are at least 4 or 5 routes that are 5.11 or easier (besides more people climb 5.10-5.11 than 5.12). To me it's much more satisfying to put up a 5.10 than a 5.12 because I know that it will be enjoyed by more climbers. As far as trad routes go it is usually pretty easy to see if it has already been done or not (especially once you get to the top). If you have a question about it then just contact T-Bone.
Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:31 pm
by weber
dhoyne wrote:
To avoid trampling of delicate flora, such as wildflowers, mosses, and ferns, please stick to the existing trails. Please do not bushwhack or “Rhodothrash” to explore new areas.......We all wish to preserve the natural beauty of the Valley as much as possible. It only takes a few explorers taking off willie nilly across country to spoil some of this landscape.
Rick, how does this apply to hiking / wandering around the valley? I rather enjoy walking around getting lost out there...
Dave,
Sorry..."Willy nilly" needs to be clarified. Hiking around is fine and even encouraged. There's lots to see down there. We just ask that common sense prevail... like detouring around a patch of ferns instead of slogging through them. Machettes are necessary when establishing a permanent trail, but shouldn't be used while sauntering around. Eventually, trails will be built back to the more picturesque areas, and this will greatly reduce the impact.
Rick
Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:47 am
by Joe Finney
If I wanted to bolt a route, which area could I bolt one at and what is the process that I have to go through to get this approval?
Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:22 am
by weber
Joe Finney wrote:If I wanted to bolt a route, which area could I bolt one at and what is the process that I have to go through to get this approval?
Contact t_bone by PM on this forum and discuss your request with him. We need to be sure that route developers in the Valley have the necessary experience and skill to do this work. If you are a novice and wish to learn the craft, that's fine. You will need to apprentice by hanging around some of the senior route setting teams for a while until you can demonstrate your competence.
All approved route developers must fill out a simple form for each route they wish to bolt. You can download this form from:
http://www.muirvalley.com/pdf-routeset.html
or just email t_bone the info requested on this form.
Thanks,
Rick