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Someone may want to put a sign up at Miguel's and at the crag about it being closed. It would seem a lot of people are still under the impression it is open because the closed sign is gone.

So, does this mean I should scrub my plans to stand in line behind 3 groups of anywhere from 10 to infinity for my chance to repeat C-Sharp or B-Flat? Just askin.

On. A slightly unrelated note, the MFRP sign has been stolen twice in the last three weeks........ Some People suck, plain and simple.

Also on a slightly unrelated note; Kim Jung Un has threatened war on the whole United States if that comedy gets out about him. Well that might be a little related - not a lot though.

jhaight wrote:

With that said I have been very disappointed at the number of people that have violated the closure at Roadside
John Haight

People have been poaching RS?? I drive by there quite a bit and have never seen anybody coming down off the hill as I round the corner. Out of habit, I always look. Was poaching a weekly or a monthly problem? Since the Zoo got more routes the parking lot has been more populated, but I did not think people were crossing the road.
• I think we can pretty much write RS off the crag list. User abuse was not the reason it was closed. On the rare moment I'd see trash I'd pick it up. Others did too, so there was very little. A few months before the place closed the RRGCC organized a trail day. A lot got done. There was impact at the 5.7 wall, but if the owners wanted that to recover they could have closed that wall. That closure would have been enforced by climbers at the other routes telling people that it's closed. There could have been a smaller sign at the wall, smaller than the one in the middle of the path. The climbing community doesn't have to flog itself about the closure though.
• Having said that, John and Grant own the land. It is their right to close it. That decision should be respected. It sucks to be vandalized. I'm sorry it occurred. The vandals probably wrongly see themselves as freedom fighters instead of the terrorists that they are.

It's private land so as fare as I'm concerned they can do what ever the hell they want.There is someone that gets a hard on pissing the community off and I'm sure they will turn up. People don't be idiots. It's closed no big deal. If you don't understand Grant....u should have went to roadside Friday were the other 60 people were.....rotary talk shit to people in face not online.

Whoops!

GStephens wrote:
If the so-called climbing community doesn't have the moxie to deplore this act of stupidity then I can assure you Roadside will be closed for all eternity. If we are quickly notified of the identity of the person(s) who did this, then there is a chance it might be opened on a limited basis, which was a plan that was already in the works. But someone has now ruined that plan.

Grant and John

John and Grant

http://grainingfork.org/

Is this the GFNP website?

I understand the difficulty of implementing an access plan. I wouldn't know how to do it myself. This site was linked in the post most read and the start of it seemed to confirm the post. Most people probably didn't read far enough into it to get to the permit and waiver part. I'm not telling you how to build your website but that part probably should have been first rather than last. Your post however on access is vague at best. A little more info from you guys would help. The word "limited" keeps coming up. That does imply that permits and waivers are part of the plan. Does that mean access will be open to the average guy? Guides? Close friends? And maybe the website is as real as the open sign. We're all kinda in the dark on your plans.

Although I miss Roadside I've not spoke against you guys closing it. At this point even if it is reopened with unlimited access you will still be flamed by some. There's no changing that. And anyone who will vandalize your property will do it open/limited/closed, won't matter to them.

The Graining Fork website is "under construction" as they say and obviously incomplete. I will ask the person helping us with the site to block it until it is completed.

Thanks,

John

I was just as excited to see that sign as the next guy. However, anyone who did their homework would have realized that although there was a sign saying "open" and there was a new website, the site stated that access was pending waiver and permits... which none of the visitors bothered to obtain. I even heard that commercial entities had brought large groups up there. Great stewardship guys! If the landowners needed a validation for their reasoning to close it (which they don't), you just provided it in spades.