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Please don't make me go to Vedawoo! I have too many bad memories of my first lead ever on Stink Zig and my belayer saying something like, "Uh, John, I don't mean to alarm you, but both your pieces just fell out" while I was 35 off the deck.

Let me also state that I'm really, really not into pebble wrasslin' or offwidths. Most everything else though.

Vegas is out because I'm trying to avoid a gambling addiction right now.

I told you Johnny, stay out of them BINGO halls! Pure Evil they are!! Shame it's going to be too cold but I would say Squamish! That place looks awesome! Bring your ice axe.

Plenty of non OW routes in Vedauwoo. Even some pretty cool sport climbing. The reason I suggested it is it is right off the highway, and if you are heading to Sinks, it would make a nice day or two stopover after the long drive.

You all should hit Moab area for sure. IC and maybe a couple towers like castleton and maybe acient art would be fun. Might be kinda chilly for maple then, but if not, it is cool.

Wes

City of Rocks,Idaho? When I was in Colorado in July a guy I was climbing with swore by it. Said it was the best.

don't listen to wes, he's become a boulderer. go to the S. Platte, do a little eldo and then head to Utah to climb at IC and do some towers. Stay away from Wall St./Potash Rd. unless you only have <1/2 day to climb. Honestly, Ved. is good, but may be cold in Oct. and there are better climbs in the Platte, esp. if you want to do some multi-pitch.

I don't know Johnny you might be coming around, you had a strange look in your eye when I took you up to see When Doves Cry Sunday.

Hell, It's an OW and a boulder problem all rolled into one

rhino, you have to take me to muscle beach when we climb. I'm loving OW lately! You can even do an audio recording for a thrill later.

Sandy, it ain't offwidth when yer skinny enough to chimney that stuff.

So we're thinking City Rocks, Cottonwood Canyon, Moab/Indian Creek, Maple Canyon, Sedona area?

Thumbs up or down?

Johnny, you should see my daughter work a fist crack. She can practically crawl right in 'em.

Thumbs up on your list! Moab/Indian Creek are not to be missed. Skip Wall Street while you're there, though, and do a day in Arches if you have time. I really think you guys would appreciate Fishers since you love choss, heheheheh. In all seriousness, if you want to climb towers I'd recommend Castle Valley while you are out that way - as long as you don't mind approaches from hell.

I didn't think the climbing in Sedona was all that fantastic, but the scenary sure was gorgeous! We may have just been in the wrong place, though.

The rest of your list sounds great, but I haven't made it to those places yet.