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[whoneedsfeet]

Sorry you still aren't invited to the cool kids crag. Nice try though

[Syphur]

I'm going to guess the cool kids on the "inside" are a little busy to go bolting routes.

[Cromper]

This is the reason why the red will always suck.

[dustonian]

This is the reason why the red will always suck.

no doubt. and the day before JATD no less! you can guarantee this turdlicker is sitting around in Mommy's dimly lit basement compulsively masturbating all day today too.

[Spikeddem]

Not the cool kids, just the ones that don't go to popular crags so they can buttfuck each others egos by being at the "cool"crag.

Yeah, cuz no ego has ever been massaged by FA's and a feeling of exclusivity from the masses, bro.

This is the reason why the red will always suck.

The red doesn't suck dood. that's why we're, you know, living down here.

[ynp1]

It is still an odd statement, you think not? Now that it is closed to climbing how am I able to go and explore there? I don't want to break any rules, and harm the access to an area.

[cramacam]

if a tree falls in the woods and no one was there to hear it, did it make a noise?

[ynp1]

Yeah most likely.

[Yasmeen]

The general process with the MRFP was/is to secure access, tell known route developers that it exists so that they can explore it and develop routes, enlist volunteers to build trails, and then publish each crag once the developers are ready. Publishing directions to the crags before the trails are built or the developers are finished doesn't seem very logical or respectful.

What would you do differently, ynp1? If you needed work done on your house, would you post a map online and ask everyone to come try their hand, or would you contact people whose work you know and trust?

Climbing communities are small, and those who volunteer significant time within those communities (whether it be serving a term or two on the LCO's BOD or spending years and hundreds (or thousands) of dollars putting up routes) are an even smaller group. It's not exclusive, though - anyone who volunteers their time enough times is bound to be noticed and contacted when opportunities arise. It takes work on an individual's part to be noticed, but that ensures quality and accountability.

[tradotto]

It is still an odd statement, you think not? Now that it is closed to climbing how am I able to go and explore there? I don't want to break any rules, and harm the access to an area.

See: http://i.imgur.com/SH6qTAI.png