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Caribe, you have me curious enough to want to try it. I would start asking for royalties.

can I use it hands free to bolt like I do with a gri gri?

pigsteak wrote:can I use it hands free to bolt like I do with a gri gri?

I actually did use it for ascending and rapping a fixed line once. It worked pretty well, but it is not really the best device for that and I much prefer the grigri + jumar setup (or 2 jumars, or 1 jumar + traxion, if the rope is "sticky"). I would definitely recommend a backup knot or two in the rope... but the same goes for a grigri.

I really do need to get off this tip, I can totally see you guys taking the piss out of me for it. Fucking Bram pushed my buttons in the last thread. I should have just left it alone, but that guy just rubs me the wrong way sometimes.
- I see this new announcement as simply informative regarding how the device wears, instead of the safety and optimum operation of the device. I could not make a statement regarding how the device wears over time until now. The answer is the device wears at the biner. If you don't want to replace biners every two years with the clickup you should use a steel HMS biner.
- Tradotto: get em at J&H in Lexington
or $50 at Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Cypher-Click-Up-B ... 625&sr=8-3)
or (http://www.campsaver.com/click-up?gclid ... 4Aod6H6iWw)
I got mine from Liberty Mountain.

Brentucky wrote: Also, it sounds like it might suck to catch people mostly hangdogging on TR.

Why? It locks . . . why should one locking device be any different belaying a hangdogger on TR or redpointing versus another? I have experienced no difference between Grigri and Clickukp when it comes to hangdoggers.

BTW: The biner with the crossload protection is not necessary. I am using a regular HMS and have been for about 5 MOs. Configuration: Climber's side of the device points up, just like ATC. If you put the climber's side down, the device is just as safe but handling is cumbersome. If you thread the device with the climber's side as the brake, all you have is an ATC without the locking feature.

caribe wrote:

Brentucky wrote: Also, it sounds like it might suck to catch people mostly hangdogging on TR.

Why? It locks . . . why should one locking device be any different belaying a hangdogger on TR or redpointing versus another? I have experienced no difference between Grigri and Clickukp when it comes to hangdoggers.

Like I said, I would like to try it again with a little more focus on the function because it does sound like it has lots of advantages in the simplicity... however, I was just thinking after it "engaged" that you had to physically push down on it or something to "disengage" it such that rope could run back through. If I am having to do a jump/take for your hang-dogging ass it seems like that could be difficult since it is probably going to relock itself after each time I jump and take up rope. If it is easy to unlock and will stay unlocked so I can do a jump/take then I guess there is no issue. Anyway, no real point in discussing it here, I will try it out again and see for myself. You just save your little typing fingers for somebody else's questions.

BTW, when are you going to be getting back out again so I can rub off the wrong way that Bram rubbed onto you?

Brentucky wrote:I was just thinking after it "engaged" that you had to physically push down on it or something to "disengage" it such that rope could run back through. If I am having to do a jump/take for your hang-dogging ass it seems like that could be difficult since it is probably going to relock itself after each time I jump and take up rope.

Oh, I see what you are alluding to. For TR you keep the clickup in the locked position. The rope will run one way but not the other. To put a lead redpointer back on belay you have take the non-brake hand and push the device back into active belay mode. This is quite effortless.

Brentucky wrote:BTW, when are you going to be getting back out again so I can rub off the wrong way that Bram rubbed onto you?

Took a 3-week hiatus, bad back. I feel much better. Everything feels better, even the tendinitis.

Only issue I've had with it is that it tends to lock too quickly when catching a fall on a steep lead. More difficult to give a soft catch thus increasing the risk of "sling shotting" the climber into the wall. Figure it's my inexperience of catching falling leaders with it since some of my climbing partners are never pushing themselves beyond the easier grades. hahaha

All locking-assist devices lock abruptly like that and demand dynamic soft-catching skills from the belayer on steep routes. This is why the belayers use figure-8's in most climbing comps, to give the softest possible catch.