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JR wrote:

toad857 wrote:climate change = more precipitation, including snow!

Water bodies retain their heat, so a rise in temperatures means that more water will evaporate into the air. Then it falls to the earth, usually on weekends.

What would you say if it was the driest year on record? Let me guess.

Ever heard of turbulence? Allow me to explain:

We humans are introducing rapid influx of change into a relatively stable system. It's why we are seeing the intensity and frequency of hurricanes increase. Same goes for tornadoes. And dry years. And wet years. And hot years. And cold years. To summarize climate change, think of "rubber band" effect. It's our worst enemy in the near term. Rising sea levels and the global shift in biomes are the bigger threat, but they are also farther in the future.

So there weren't wet years, and dry years, and cold years and years with more tornadoes before humans started burning coal? I do believe humans are influencing the climate but I think its impossible to say for sure that climate change is causing more hurricanes/tornadoes when we have only been recording the weather for a few hundred years. I'm sure there were years of above average precipitation and more tornadoes back in the 1300's too so dont give all the credit to humans.

And yes the rain all spring and summer sucked, we have gone down at least twice a month since spring and I think there was only a weekend or two where we didnt get rained on at one point. GLOBAL WARMINNNNGGG AHHHH!

toad857 wrote: Ever heard of turbulence? Allow me to explain:

We humans are introducing rapid influx of change into a relatively stable system. It's why we are seeing the intensity and frequency of hurricanes increase. Same goes for tornadoes. And dry years. And wet years. And hot years. And cold years. To summarize climate change, think of "rubber band" effect. It's our worst enemy in the near term. Rising sea levels and the global shift in biomes are the bigger threat, but they are also farther in the future.

Thanks!!! It is our worst enemy!!! Hope we make it further into the flood future!!!! Further Flood Future!!! Who doesn't love a scary alliteration!!!!

EricDorsey wrote:So there weren't wet years, and dry years, and cold years and years with more tornadoes before humans started burning coal?

Of course there were. But now, the frequency and intensity of those events has increased dramatically in the past few decades, and will most likely continue to do so. It's not speculation--there is ample data to support this.

EricDorsey wrote:I think its impossible to say for sure that climate change is causing more hurricanes/tornadoes when we have only been recording the weather for a few hundred years.

And even in those few hundred years, we have seen an increase in extreme weather events. It takes a rather marked changed for such a pattern to show up statistically, which it has. It only makes it even more alarming!

As for the weather; tree rings and layers of ice are perfectly preserved records for rainfall and temperature. They date back tens of thousands of years, much more in the case of ancient ice.

Y'all are drinkin' da Koolaid. This weather pattern is caused by La Nina - http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/a ... odisc.html

The bottom line for climbing according to the current La Nina forecast is head south to go bouldering -

"During November 2011-January 2012, there is an increased chance of above-average temperatures across the south-central U.S. with the odds favoring below-average temperatures over the north-central U.S. Also, above-average precipitation is favored across the northern tier of states, excluding New England, and drier-than-average conditions are more probable across the southern tier of the U.S. (see 3-month seasonal outlook released on 20 October 2011)."

toad857 wrote:

EricDorsey wrote:So there weren't wet years, and dry years, and cold years and years with more tornadoes before humans started burning coal?

"Of course there were. But now, the frequency and intensity of those events has increased dramatically in the past few decades, and will most likely continue to do so. It's not speculation--there is ample data to support this."

Where is the data showing that hurricanes and tornadoes are becoming more prevalent? I would think you would have a hard time getting data from trees and ice regarding storms. And showing that the number of storms has spiked in the last 20 years of a 100 year study doesn't prove much, what if the natural cycle is 200 years long? That 100 year study doesn't mean much now.. I agree humans are having an impact on their environment but I don't agree that "EVERY" weather event is caused by global warming like some people like to suggest.... To much inconclusive data to draw such specific conclusions.

Its raining, global warming. Its windy, global warming. More hurricanes this summer.... GLOBAL WARMING.

toad857 wrote: ....we have seen an increase in extreme weather events. It takes a rather marked changed for such a pattern to show up statistically, which it has. It only makes it even more alarming!

Thank you toad857!!! Thank my lucky stars that you have been paying attention. I am now alarmed!!! Let's beat this thing together!!!

We should do this!!! http://www.climatecrisis.net/take_action/12_tips.php

toad857, will you watch An Inconvenient Truth with me?????

It's all bullshit put out by the hippies in the government. The jay oh ohhs changed the way they measure things in order to cheat at the store and now they apply it to everything. Thats why ice cream and coffee and like that are smaller. Goddam jay oh ohhs. Has anybody payed attention to what the queers are doing to the soil? - now there's an environmental issue!

We're also seeing less sun spots (Maunders Minimum), which should mean colder and wetter.

That was one of the best things about the Dark Ages, the plagues kept everyones' minds off the weather, not that the mini-iceage added to the misery index back then because resoles had a real slow turn around time and usually just delaminated as soon as you hit the first edge so trying to get a pitch in between cloud bursts while you shoes were blowing out and you were burying dead people kept everyone busy enough to be a bit less self-centered than the occupy or arab spring or tough acting tinactin crowd.