Re: MV anchor cleaning accident
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:05 pm
NO texting while on belay. and
DO NOT TWERK directly through the anchors.
DO NOT TWERK directly through the anchors.
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krampus wrote:Can we at least have a discussion on how we can make climbing safer for everyone and reduce the individual responsibility for ones own self? It's been at least three months since the last convo like this
Well said. I think risk management can be done best when the belayer and climber understand themselves to be both actively participating in the climbing event -from before the first climber leaves the ground, until both are back on it safely.Shannon wrote: I will not attempt to answer any, only highlight some of the issues raised…
1. What, if any is/are the climbing partner(s)/belayer’s duty/involvement to assist the rappelling climber? Eyes on the ground? None?
2. What should/can experienced climbers offer less experienced climbers in their vicinity? Keep an eye out for them?
3. Should lowering be encouraged as opposed to rappelling off routes?
4. Does knowing there are competent rescue crews available in the area reduce the “sense” of risk in a climber’s minds?
I do not have answers for these questions or presume to say what others should do. I have my preferences, for example, I prefer to be lowered as opposed to rappel. I admit I make mistakes. I know that I take risks, sometimes unnecessary. I personally subscribe to what I call the John Bronaugh rule (from whom I borrowed the following)…100% personal responsibility for all of my climbing decisions, actions and risks, rely on no one for anything, be able to extricate myself in all situations as if I climbed alone. And yet, I try to keep an eye out for ALL other climbers in my vicinity, offering “fireman catches” or telling them if their rope is on the ground to climbers rappelling, watch others thread their gri gri, etc. In other words, expect nothing (from others), offer everything.