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Dustin, when u left ur shoes at the gallery, I picked them up because I knew I would make sure they got back to their owner. Wasn't so sure the next guy that came along was going to share the same altruistic morals.

dustonian wrote:Kinda lame how many draw-snatching opportunistic cheapskates infest the Red in the fall... it's like locust season around here. Sorry you were another victim... I don't leave anything on anything anymore, even fixed lines on new routes in progress are at risk. Why don't people just leave shit at the crag and let the owner come back and get them when they come back? Draws, shoes, whatever...

+1

Stealing sucks....... so does leaving your shit hanging around........

Alex is not Trolling. I did see three booty draws at Solar last week....I also heard that Solar was busier than over the weekend. It would have been a Thanksgiving miracle if those didn't get taken. Hell, I almost ended up with them. My friend cleaned one of them off and we had to put it back up. Three random draws on that route was confusing. Top-roping directionals??? All we could come up with was someone had projected it and the safety police deemed most of the draws unsatisfactory and took them down leaving the 3 random safe draws.

Some people will throw a brick through your car window just to get at the change in your center console. Why are you then surprised when things disappear when you leave them unguarded and out in the open.

climb2core wrote:Dustin, when u left ur shoes at the gallery, I picked them up because I knew I would make sure they got back to their owner. Wasn't so sure the next guy that came along was going to share the same altruistic morals.

Yeah, and since the Red is the way it is I really appreciate that...an unfortunate necessity. At 90% of the other crags in the country it wouldn't be a big deal to forget something at the crag and come back for it the next day....but 'round these parts....

JMO...3 random draws on random bolts on an "easier" route, without anchor draws, (which is how I read it, correct me if I'm wrong...) will usually be "cleaned up" in the very near future at many areas.... There are no hard and fast rules, but if you are going to leave anything on easier routes, you might "gamble" and leave all the bolts (except maybe #1) prehung. We did this for the gal in Rifle...her project was Feline ( 11a) and there were no issues. She sent and we moved the draws onto another easy 11, no issues. I think that if we had left 2 or 3 they would have been stripped... In other areas, say Hell in AF the locals (not climbers, I hope) will strip gear with a ladder from time to time.

It kind of harkens back for me to a story of my mentor who "cleaned" some of Royal Robbins gear at Lover's Leap out west...when presented with his "fixed" gear, RR told my man, "Finders keepers, that's how climbing is if someone leaves stuff on the rock..."

Ya, I'm that old


But I do think there is an unwritten rule that if you fix them all-- **most** people will leave well enough alone....but a few here and there? That seems like booty in general....certainly the easier the route the more "opportunistic" it's going to seem in some people's eyes.

Like I said in another thread, I leave cleaner biners from time to time so you don't deck cleaning the lower bolts and am not surprised when they are gone next time I go out...I would be surprised if my project was cleaned though....(fixed draws all up and down)

well said

who cares how they do it in other places. why dont we become the area where you stuff doesnt get taken. Some good old southern hospitality.

Good old Southern hospitality is a myth.