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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:57 am
by possum2082
pigsteak wrote:
anyone thnk O and W are actually kissing cousins?
well, obama is half white.

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:28 am
by cliftongifford
:D
I do believe so...
They're one in the same.

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:07 pm
by toad857
possum2082 wrote:
pigsteak wrote:
anyone thnk O and W are actually kissing cousins?
well, obama is half white.
skin pigmentation is a spectrum, not a category. thinking the latter would make one a racist, no?

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:57 pm
by possum2082
toad857 wrote: skin pigmentation is a spectrum, not a category. thinking the latter would make one a racist, no?
i think you could argue culture is a category with some success but the definition of culture is also fading into subjectivity.

according to my last masters education class i took (diversity in the classroom), if you are born white, you are a racist.
therefore, according to lisa delpit, i am a racist as is my 11 week old son.

sorry, gotta run. klan meeting. and after that, we're hunting bears in muir valley.

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:14 pm
by mike_a_lafontaine
toad857 wrote: skin pigmentation is a spectrum, not a category. thinking the latter would make one a racist, no?
No, simply recognizing that categories exist make you organized. Believing that one category is inherently better than another makes you a racist.

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:49 am
by ND Clee
Here, let me solve this for you. 100% MY FAULT. That would be me, the climber who fell, accepted responsibility that it was MY hand slipping off the hold while I went to clip the rope into the draw I hung, which subsequently led to my decking, et. al.

That said, there's nothing like well-informed speculation by people who witnessed via message board.

Once again, I thank all those who were present at the time who may or may not have seen what actually happened but certainly were privy to the aftermath. Without you, I really shudder to think what might have happened. I wish you all the very best.

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:06 am
by pigsteak
way to ruin another good rant ND Clee.....if it matters at all, I voted "both"...

seriously. accidents and mistakes happen, and I, for one, am very glad you escaped serious injury...

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:34 am
by clif
ND Clee-i'm not sure you'll be checking back at this site, but do you have any advice for climber's who want to avoid your situation and still lead climb?

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:25 am
by cliftongifford
both...
and this scenerio could've been any one of us. shit happens all the time. how many times when you're climbing you think to yourself, "fuck, i hope i don't fall right here!" knowing that if you did you'd get hurt? she just happened to fall at that moment... we've all experienced that moment a thousand times, we've just been lucky enough to not slip at that exact time. i'm glad to see the climber and belayer are both ok and learned from the experience. hindsight is 20/20, something always could've been done differently to change the outcome of any event, from 9/11 and the oil spill to this particular incident. unless bush and obama really are to blame, if that's the case........

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:24 pm
by climb2core
It is Joe's fault :P