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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:24 pm
by captain static
Bram, do you have a citation for your quote. The biochemistry does not make sense. By what pathway would ingesting a bicarbonate alter blood pH or lactate production? Blood pH in healthy individuals tends to be very stable.

I work with a company that does have a supplement shown to reduce post exercise blood lactate levels (See: http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10 ... istoryKey=). Rather than affecting blood pH the biochemical mechanism of this supplement appears to work in an ergogenic manner through the Krebs cycle.

Antecdotally, endurance athletes, especially marathon runners, have had great sucess with this supplement. The women's record holder of the Flying Pig Marathon ( http://www.marathonguide.com/news/newsv ... F10%2Ehtml ) was one of our sponsored athletes.

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:42 pm
by the lurkist
Just hyperventilate. A much more effective way to induce alkalosis.
Down side of pounding a bunch of NaHCO3 is that load of Na you get with the HCO3. Then you get very thirsty. Eventually your kidneys will get rid of all that Na. Its all good.

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:14 pm
by Meadows
So Bill, are you trying to say that if I take your supplements and train like a fein, I might win the Pig?

Also, are your products GMP certified?

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:36 pm
by captain static
Ha, no can guarantee a win in the Pig but you should be able to improve your time. Our sponsored marathon athletes were training under the supervision of our Medical Director, Dr. Leonard Smith, and supplements were only part of the program. One thing I learned from following these runners was how much of a role the mental aspect plays just like in climbing.

We are in the process of obtaining GMP certification.

I can provide samples to "special" people ;)

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:00 pm
by Saxman
Captain: Just google lactic acid baking soda and you will get more info than you ever wanted.

Lurk is right, hyperventilating will also achieve a similar goal although I don't know if it has been studied for athletic performance.

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:51 pm
by TradMike
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:01 pm
by anticlmber
hyperventilating can/does help to a point on boulder problems at the least, route climbing...who knows since thats a long time. i have used this approach for years bouldering and i can tell a big difference in the pump. remeber though that too much and you just about/will pass out. a quick five breathes before climbing provides a good oxygen saturation and blows off some extra acid via CO2. the big problem i can see with this is someone saying, "20g worked so lets try 100g." and they put themselves into a bad metabolic alkalosis level. the bodies pH is where its at for a reason and the levels are on a small thresh hold of tolerance.
i would either just learn to push through or accept the suck.

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:26 pm
by Cleveland
Why not by Crank, not the shit you get going through nada but the fore arm fuel.

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:50 pm
by krampus
am I the only one who feels like supplements for athletes are the equivalent of diet pills for fat people, just train harder people :roll:

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:57 pm
by pigsteak
yeah, go back to your lug soled shoes kramp, and train harder :roll:
or swami...or hemp rope..or pitons...or passive only pro...or no chalk....

yup, all cheating for sure.