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...so someone i know...thinks that maybe, like at Smith Rock, in heavily visited areas (aka the Motherlode (& maybe Roadside 'area') one of those outhouses that facilitate the natural processes might be economically viable?

i don't know what the things are called or what they cost...maybe get a deal on 2-3 and put them at parking lots?

That's a great idea, except vandalism is a real concept in that area, although it would be a sweet idea for R-fest.

clif wrote:...so someone i know...thinks that maybe, like at Smith Rock, in heavily visited areas (aka the Motherlode (& maybe Roadside 'area') one of those outhouses that facilitate the natural processes might be economically viable?

i don't know what the things are called or what they cost...maybe get a deal on 2-3 and put them at parking lots?

Before building the new restrooms at Muir, we looked into several options for placing toilets near the climbing walls. It was depressingly expensive - that is, if you do it legally.

1. Composting toilets are for relatively light use and require a "stirring-the-stew" type of maintenance. Any volunteers?
2. Pit toilets can be relatively expensive. Just the freakin' toilet WITHOUT pit or building costs $1600! ( http://www.masterbuilding.net/WAYSIDE_P ... wc7690.htm ) Toilets like those in the DBNF run about $18k per. http://www.masterbuilding.net/WAYSIDE_P ... wc7690.htm
3. The local Health Departments will allow you to install a pit toilet only if you sign a long term contract with a honey-dipper who will periodically pump out the pit tank.
4. The honey-dippers can't get their trucks near to most crags where toilets would be convenient.
5. Portajons might be a viable option, but who would be willing to sign a contract and accept responsibility at Roadside and the Lode? Besides, you're back to the problem of locating them near a place where the pumper truck can access them... and at $50 to $150 per month.

The Muir restrooms are getting a workout -- an average of about 60 flushes per day (via collected rainwater) into a septic system. At least that's 60 fewer dumps per day - along with associated sanitary items - onto the land.

Josephine wrote:some of us are not morning shitters and cannot simply "hold it" for hours on end.

Just visit the rest area on the way, you'll be on a regular schedule in no time.

inevitably, people poop at crags. there's no way around it.

i think that signs can be a good idea. they should be funny, though. same with the shirts. a funny shirt about pooping responsibly--i would buy one of those. a boring shirt about 'leaving no trace', no thanks...

packing out poop isn't likely to catch on. i would never do it. two cents.

I think it must be hikers..

BTW, the policy at Torrent is NO POOP is to be left on the property. At. All. Not even if you bury it. Pack it out via wag bags, or leave and hit a bathroom. This is a BIG deal, so please be sure to make your plans accordingly.

#7 ... this would halt all shitting.

I'll volunteer to do some poo lecturing and finger pointing while i'm hangin out at the crag i've offered my shovel several times already.......

The regulars (aka the people who care) should take pride and stand up to others.

Voice your opinion about poo at the crag not just online, enough of us care that we can make a big difference.

Be a hard ass!!WOO!!

toad857 wrote: i think that signs can be a good idea. they should be funny, though. same with the shirts. a funny shirt about pooping responsibly--i would buy one of those. a boring shirt about 'leaving no trace', no thanks...

Oh, yeah, that is the plan

Cant we all just poop at home or camp people? How hard is it to plan ahead a little.