What is it worth?

[Meadows]

First, I want to say thanks to Mike, Jack, and Phil for this grassroots effort of not just community involvement, but community ownership of their climbing areas.

It's difficult to gauge these events, as I know past events have seen less than anticipated as well as more than anticipated (we didn't have enough lunches at the last JATD). But let's keep in mind good intentions with last-minute change of plans.

Lets take this as a lesson learned rather than a chance to condemn. On the planning side, people can communicate why RSPVs are important to events and remind people to use the invite tool appropriately. FB invites do arrive via email, but I noticed that the personal calendars aren't exactly prominent. There are ways to deal with this.

I also want to remind you that this climbing is YOUR climbing. We all are owners of these awesome crags and we should be accountable for their upkeep and most importantly, their access.

Josie mentioned the JATD, and I'll add that there are many opportunities to participate in the future. I hope we all get involved some way.

[rhunt]

Please don't tell me the only way to RSVP for a trail event is on facebook?

[Meadows]

It's not. Of the 30 RSPVs, 23 were on FB.

[Meadows]

Also, in the future, we plan to keep better contact with those who RSPV so that the event is not easily forgotten.

[pigsteak]

Please don't tell me the only way to RSVP for a trail event is on facebook?

get up to speed rhunt.....FB is this years Prana....

that being said, short of family illness, I am not sure what would keep people from a committment to a trail day...me thinks good temps might be the answer in many cases. let's keep it real..trail days are, like Bob said, crap work with no glory for the participants. our community is just like every community. a few people carrying the load for the masses.

to those who attended, thank you. your work will be forgotten soon enough by those who don't care and who want to use/abuse yet not give back.....but your good deeds should give you 3 months of smack talking on here.....

(ps- I didn't participate because I am the hypocritcal gate keeper of all that is worthy.)

[toad857]

well said

[Artsay]

Whatever piggy. You give back in a huge way. You put up the routes the trails lead to!

Which brings up a good point...
Trail day participation is invaluable but it's not the only way to "give back". Monetary donations always help as well as things like making a trail day poster, designing a trail day shirt, writing an article to a climbing mag on securing RRG access, posting announcements reminding people to donate to the RRGCC...

So I don't think folks should feel guilty for not participating in trail days, everyone just needs to find a way to "give back" that works for them.

[captain static]

THERE WAS FREE STUFF THERE PEOPLE. I HAD TOO MUCH SUGAR FREE RED BULL.

And apparently you are still riding the bull

Everything said it was a great day and a great event.

It is really nice having Torrent as a base of operations for a trail day. THANKS BOB!!!

Soapbox: Something to think about. As the Forest Service LAC Process moves into implementation, climbers will be called upon to build system trails to popular crags such as Fortress, SBR, etc. To be in a position to better accomplish this work we need more volunteers to commit to learning trail building skills.

[pigsteak]

artsay..that was more my point....we all need to look inside ourselves, and ask if we are giving back AT LEAST as much as we take from our climbing experience...it can only be answered on a personal level.

[Saxman]

I have to admit I committed to work long after RSVPing for the trail day never thinking to reRSVP. I am buying a machete and plan to carry it from now on to clean out trails that are overgrowing with branches and gumbies.