Future of Muir Valley

Post by **SCIN** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:45 am

whatahutch wrote:I know I have no right, what-so-ever, to weigh in here. Because I am not the Webers or RRO or TNO.
However, I have been one of the few, it seems, to protest and "raise a stink" about the keyboard warriors that frequent this website. There is no one else to blame here but them.
I am one of those 10,000 climbers that visited Muir in the last year, and everytime I pass the donation box I drop all the change I have in it. (That means I have donate more than a muir 10 cents over the past few years). I have also donated my time and worked beside RRO in person to help the climbing community and communial access to the areas we all climb at.
This forum is now at it's lowest I have ever seen it. Calling into question the people who have given the most, whay more than my few cents and hours, and made it better for us all. This is the reason why I have felt the way I have about redriverclimbing forums.
The people who are not involved are always the first to make the biggest problems. If there is a problem in this community, it lies in these forums, the people who frequent and comment the most, and the administrators that allow it.

But I believe in Democracy and Descension. So, live on being the keyboard warriors you are, make some comment about a gumby joke, (or call out my spelling). But I am done responding and commenting on these forums. (I am sure I will see some dumbass say how glad he is to see me go).
I think the best response is to boycott this website, and if we lose the chance to climb in Muir or Matt and Amy are financially burdened anymore than they already are, it is due to this website.

Later dude. See ya next jones.

Post by **krampus** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:23 am

I bet he still reads every post written every day.

Post by **DriskellHR** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:57 am

Whatahutch, confucius say : Better to let people think your are idiot than to open mouth and remove all doubt

Post by **pigsteak** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:03 am

As one who has put in, by my wife's estimate, over $2500 of fixed hardware into Muir, plus the hundreds of hours hanging in a harness, I think I should have my say. (I like to hear myself talk.)

I have never, ever felt like I "owned" a part of Muir for the labor and money I have spent at Muir. The Webers put up their cash, and just because the community donates time and a "little" money to FOMV, we still don't own it. It was a donation of both, and I am free at any time to stop giving if I feel I have given enough.

But my guess is "most" who bitch on here about Muir or the Webers have given less than the 9 cents a day to its upkeep.

I count all three affected parties as friends, and would defend each to the core. Some of you sound like it is high school popular kid club all over again.

PS- Rick, have you learned your lesson? Never post something here if you plan on keeping your sanity.

Post by **anticlmber** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:54 am

so when do i get my varsity letter??

Post by **pigsteak** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:01 am

anticlmber wrote:so when do i get my varsity letter??

the cheerleaders have to do special favors. can you come over at 9?

Post by **weber** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:10 am

Thanks Kipp for the additional info. You're right, beside the monetary donations, you and other developers from Day 1 have put a bunch of valuable hardware up on these walls. But, I honestly have to say that your labor in developing routes is FAR more valuable than the hardware value. The question we constantly get is, "How the hell did those bolts get up there?" on the steep walls. Few people know that you worked alone through one winter on a 40-degree overhanging wall, sometimes with the temps in the teens to put up the Midnight Surf climbs. I hope the many climbers who enjoy the Surf appreciate your efforts.

And let's not overlook your patient partner, Karen, who was nice enough to put up a first class trad route in the moderate range of difficulty, that I really like.

pigsteak wrote:As one who has put in, by my wife's estimate, over $2500 of fixed hardware into Muir, plus the hundreds of hours hanging in a harness, I think I should have my say. (I like to hear myself talk.)

I have never, ever felt like I "owned" a part of Muir for the labor and money I have spent at Muir. The Webers put up their cash, and just because the community donates time and a "little" money to FOMV, we still don't own it. It was a donation of both, and I am free at any time to stop giving if I feel I have given enough.

But my guess is "most" who bitch on here about Muir or the Webers have given less than the 9 cents a day to its upkeep.

I count all three affected parties as friends, and would defend each to the core. Some of you sound like it is high school popular kid club all over again.

pigsteak wrote:PS- Rick, have you learned your lesson? Never post something here if you plan on keeping your sanity.

Probably not.

Post by **TankAzz** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:43 am

here comes my ignorance... where is the donation box? i haven't been to muir in awhile, but next time, i'd really like to make a point out of leaving some $$. i'm sure it's in a painfully obvious spot, but somehow i am drawing a blank on its location...

Post by **caribe** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:06 pm

TankAzz
http://www.friendsofmuirvalley.org/inde ... =donations

Post by **TankAzz** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:29 pm

sweet--thanks