Groundfl at the load
The offensive post has since been edited by Ultra prior to the ban...hence your confusion now.
I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
- Robert McCloskey
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
- Emo Philips
- Robert McCloskey
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
- Emo Philips
Ultra wrote a fictitious detailed account relating that the kid died and where to send condolences to the family. It was extremely believable and wasn't written with a hint of sarcasm. I read it and felt sick by it and it wasn't until I spoke with some other people last night that I learned that there was no way Ultra was telling the truth.
Sure, this kinda stuff isn't written in the rules of this site but should be common sense on any public forum. I just can't believe anyone can find humor in even suggesting another person's death.
Sure, this kinda stuff isn't written in the rules of this site but should be common sense on any public forum. I just can't believe anyone can find humor in even suggesting another person's death.
Does he have a strange bear claw like appendage protruding from his neck? He kep petting it.
Look at their faces . They seem so.... content. is that what "gay" means.'....I mean that doesn't seem so bad. They are close and happy and well...never mind I here my teapot going offf...ynot wrote:Nah thats not it. I know both those characters and they arent gay.Thats whats disturbing.
I try to be a good man but all that comes
of trying is I feel more guilty.
Ikkyu
of trying is I feel more guilty.
Ikkyu
But pawilkes...did you see the post in question?
I hate banning anyone but dang if what he wrote wasn't just way over the top. He obviously thought so too because he edited his own post way before I banned him. I was really shocked and saddened after reading the update and I don't even know the kid. Imagine how a close friend or family member may have reacted if they read it? And as far as relating him to 512OW...well, considering that 512OW is a very close friend of ours, that fact that we banned him at all should say a lot about how much we care about the community on this board.
I hate banning anyone but dang if what he wrote wasn't just way over the top. He obviously thought so too because he edited his own post way before I banned him. I was really shocked and saddened after reading the update and I don't even know the kid. Imagine how a close friend or family member may have reacted if they read it? And as far as relating him to 512OW...well, considering that 512OW is a very close friend of ours, that fact that we banned him at all should say a lot about how much we care about the community on this board.
Does he have a strange bear claw like appendage protruding from his neck? He kep petting it.
This thread may have been so far hijacked that no one is paying attention, but:
In the fall at the lode, if the Grigri was threaded backwards, then I would say that the climber shares some responsibility for not having checked before leaving the ground.
Once you're off the ground, it's up to the belayer. The one groundfall I've seen in person was luckily at a gym with rubber chips. The belyer was using an ATC and was fumbling with a twisted up rope. Her hand came off the brake rope for a second - at the same time that the leader fell. The rope whizzed through the device (she did manage to clear the tangle, unfortunately), and the leader thudded to the ground. He hit feet first, and they sort of slipped out from under him, so he ended up on his butt, sitting up. I think that even though she didn't react quickly enough to grab the brake rope, there was enough friction that the falling climber was slowed down. He was fine, but the belayer ran off crying. I didn't know these people, so I don't know if she 'got back on the horse'.
Spragwa wrote:None of the people who belay me would allow me to deck from the 5th bolt of a climb unless they fucked up pretty bad, which I don't believe they would. Sorry rhunt, I just don't believe it happens unless the belayer screws up. Not that people don't make mistakes.
One of the advantages of doing a lot of gym climbing is that you tie in and rig up belay devices frequently - when I was an instructor at a 24' high wall, I may have tied in and rigged up GriGris a couple thousand times a year. Every so often, I would screw something up, and this is after climbing for years. Always having the belayer and climber check each other is critical. You may feel 'uncool' doing it, but you will catch problems like only tying into the waist or leg loops, or threading the belay device wrong. Don't be afraid to give the climber's rope a tug to check that the knot is complete or yank the rope to check that the Grigri/ATC is threaded correctly. No matter how long you've been climbing, you are going to screw up once in a while - maybe 1 in 1000 times, maybe 1 in 10,000 times - you need a partner to catch that mistake before it kills you or someone else.Sunshine wrote:I pay very close attention to climbers and belayers as they tie in and rig the belay. Very few climbers check their belayers and I rarely see a belayer check to see that the climber has tied in properly or that his buckle is doubled back.
In the fall at the lode, if the Grigri was threaded backwards, then I would say that the climber shares some responsibility for not having checked before leaving the ground.
Once you're off the ground, it's up to the belayer. The one groundfall I've seen in person was luckily at a gym with rubber chips. The belyer was using an ATC and was fumbling with a twisted up rope. Her hand came off the brake rope for a second - at the same time that the leader fell. The rope whizzed through the device (she did manage to clear the tangle, unfortunately), and the leader thudded to the ground. He hit feet first, and they sort of slipped out from under him, so he ended up on his butt, sitting up. I think that even though she didn't react quickly enough to grab the brake rope, there was enough friction that the falling climber was slowed down. He was fine, but the belayer ran off crying. I didn't know these people, so I don't know if she 'got back on the horse'.
Exactly - no one is perfect, even the best climber. You need to take steps to decrease the probability of an accident.Artsay wrote:It's just the percentages.
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