Paradise Lost - No Hands?
I hear what you are saying, hell I get bitched at for just replacing anchors sometimes. But, just like dealing with the bugs, dirt and all the other crap is part of putting up new routes, dealing with what people say about the routes is also part of it.
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Po, the kung fu panda
Po, the kung fu panda
Yep, that's true... Frustrating, but true. Perhaps I should remind myself of that more often.
Anyway, we are planning a trip to Arizona next month and while reading through the guidebook for Mt. Lemmon I found the following quote:
"If you bolt every route so ANY idiot can get up it, a lot of idiots will go climbing."
I've been thinking about that lately. Maybe I should start being selfish and begin bolting the routes for myself. Maybe some harder climbs with the bolts further apart? More natural gear, fewer bolts? It would be a lot cheaper and less time consuming. No trundling of loose rocks, no scrubbing of lichen... those things don't bother me anyway... Besides, no matter how much they are cleaned people will still complain. So maybe I should just leave the routes in their natural state and put in a few bolts (just enough to keep you safe or off the ground). I really like that idea....
Anyway, we are planning a trip to Arizona next month and while reading through the guidebook for Mt. Lemmon I found the following quote:
"If you bolt every route so ANY idiot can get up it, a lot of idiots will go climbing."
I've been thinking about that lately. Maybe I should start being selfish and begin bolting the routes for myself. Maybe some harder climbs with the bolts further apart? More natural gear, fewer bolts? It would be a lot cheaper and less time consuming. No trundling of loose rocks, no scrubbing of lichen... those things don't bother me anyway... Besides, no matter how much they are cleaned people will still complain. So maybe I should just leave the routes in their natural state and put in a few bolts (just enough to keep you safe or off the ground). I really like that idea....
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longlegsrule
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ignore them please!!!Artsay wrote:Yep, or writing a guidebook. We're already hearing negative comments about it.
It seems that complaining is just as much a part of climbing as spraying is. It is what it is...
and ignore that coalition guy that wants to keep people outta the red!!!
From Kentucky ;o)
I couldn't agree more. Reality TV is the dumbing down of America as we know it, lets not put bolts 3 feet from eachother and dumb down climbing. Bolt climbs the way you see fit and let the climber make the choice. I backed off of Ohio Arts the other day b/c I didn't want to grease of those holds and fall onto the slab. You don't see me complaing about the bolt job on this forum or to anyone, I just made a judgment call, b/c I am not an idiot.. although some people may disagreeJ-Rock wrote: "If you bolt every route so ANY idiot can get up it, a lot of idiots will go climbing."
I've been thinking about that lately. Maybe I should start being selfish and begin bolting the routes for myself. Maybe some harder climbs with the bolts further apart?
I think that is the way it should be. CLimbing is about gathering the facts, making decisions and accepting the outcome. To think of it somehting else is like that too... day to day life...HELLO PEOPLE! If I want to get back on the climb in the Fall when it is cooler and try it again I can.... it is up to me.My hats off to all those who bolt stuff, write guide books and try to make a positive impact it isn't easy work, and it sure seems thankless sometimes. You have to do it for yourself and the satisfaction you get from it not for the fortune and glory
Lest we all forget... climbing is a mostly meaningless pursuit that we do for fun.
It's awesome what people are doing with development and what Ray & Michelle did with the guidebook.
Climbers may bitch, but we pull together when needed. Climbers may spray ad nauseum, but when another climber is down another will pull them up. Climbers may whine relentlessly and make excuses for not sending a project, but we're passionate about life.
So J-Rock, I understand that you might feel unappreciated when people criticize you especially when it's in an inappropriate manner, remember that most of us appreciate the work you've done. And when you need someone, you know another climber's gonna be there.
Climbers may bitch, but we pull together when needed. Climbers may spray ad nauseum, but when another climber is down another will pull them up. Climbers may whine relentlessly and make excuses for not sending a project, but we're passionate about life.
So J-Rock, I understand that you might feel unappreciated when people criticize you especially when it's in an inappropriate manner, remember that most of us appreciate the work you've done. And when you need someone, you know another climber's gonna be there.
Jesus only knows that she tries too hard. She's only trying to keep the sky from falling.
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