Human remains found in Muir Valley?

Post by **weber** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:35 pm

A recent RRGCC website forum posting suggested that a bone found at the base of one of the cliffs might be human in origin. Our guess is that it is a deer vertebrae. If we are able to obtain the sample, we can check it out. It was found at one of the rock houses where relic hunters dug around before we purchased the land. Anyone climbing in Muir knows that there are literally hundreds of bones to be found around the rock. The person posting the finding on RRGCC commented that there were also ATV tracks nearby.

So, to curtail the launching of any new rumors about these remains, I wish to state categorically that they are NOT from the last ATV rider that Liz found trespassing in the Valley. Let's not give her any ideas.

Rick

Post by **dipsi** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:16 am

But if she should just sort of lose it, you know....I would, you know.....love to watch!

Post by **Saxman** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:23 am

That's an idea. Buy a couple of human skeletons and hang them at each entrance to the valley by the no ATV signs. You could buy an old wrecked ATV, beat it up and burn it and place it by the sign as well.

Post by **campusboarder** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:39 am

might as well have skeletons hanging off the face

Post by **weber** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:12 am

In truth, many of the ATV riders passing through drive quietly along the creek. But, a few hot rodding males, who have failed at enhancing their manhood in other ways, resort to that time-honored testosterone-elevating act of ripping off mufflers. (Ol' Bubba still can't get it up, but he sure can offend any eardrum within a 2-mile radius.)

The last group of ATV riders I talked to a couple weeks ago were particularily beligerent when I informed them, in a nice way, that their vehicles were not allowed in the preserve. I asked the spokesman if he saw the many signs we posted. He replied that they "didn't pay attention to no signs." He said, "you mean to keep us out of all the hollers and cliffs down here?" I told them they are welcome to hike anywhere in the valley -- just no ATVs. Standing there with a 60-pound beer gut, he gave me a look that said he really didn't understand the word "hike."

Like many outdoor recreational activities, a few jerks ruin it for the whole group.

Hypocricy Disclaimer: Muir Valley, LLC owns an ATV (with muffler). It is for emergencies, utility, and maintenance purposes. So, when you see Liz or me on the green Honda Foreman, please don't throw rocks.

Rick

Post by **meetVA** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:25 am

Watch out what you say to the ATVers Rick, don't be too friendly or tell them too much. They might organize and start buying up all the other hollars with good climbs too!

Post by **Crankmas** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:20 pm

perhaps it was evolution, the bones used to be human but evolved into deer bones apes to humans to deer check it out I'm sure its "good" science

Post by **dhoyne** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:26 pm

meetVA wrote:Watch out what you say to the ATVers Rick, don't be too friendly or tell them too much. They might organize and start buying up all the other hollars with good climbs too!

I doubt it. The behavior of the typical ATVer is strikingly similar to that of the Silverback Gorilla. Here is a picture of one practicing riding a quad:

More details:
Gorillas are shy, social animals that are active during the day (they are diurnal). They live in small groups (or bands) of 6-7 individuals. They communicate with each other using many complicated sounds and gestures. Gorillas use at least 25 recognized vocalizations, including grunts, roars, growls, whines, chuckles, hooting, etc. Some gorilla gestures include chest-beating, high-pitched barks, lunging, throwing objects, staring, lip-tucking , sticking out the tongue, sideways running, slapping, rising to a two-legged stance, etc.

Post by **meetVA** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:29 pm

blast dhoyne, the picture didn't load for me. but i can imagine.

Post by **kneebar** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:45 pm

weber, As in a lot of things its not usually the "tool" its the person using it.

I would be curious how a forum for say birdwatching would discribe a large group of vocal sport climbers while they go looking for cliff dwelling birds. It might go something like this.......first those climbers come in a tear all the vegitation off the cliffs, scrub-brush them, toss rocks, and drill holes in the rock. (sometimes they don't bathe for days) then they smear white stuff (I think it might be bird poop) all over the place. Then they yell, scream, and curse there way up the cliff just to come back down and do it again in another spot 10 feet away. I just don't get it, they just trash the cliff and then walk away. We are just all on a different part of the environmental curve