humility and self recreating for mental training

Post by **dhoyne** » Tue May 17, 2005 1:28 pm

Ray-- is there a way to hide a person's spray list from others, so it's just a personal list, not a public "I'm better than you becuase I climbed x number of 5.y routes" list?

I might actually make use of it then instead of writing everything in my guide book.

Post by **Wes** » Tue May 17, 2005 1:39 pm

dhoyne, if you are secure in your own climbing, then that will not change regardless of if you fill out a public or privite list. And as for the "I'm better then you.." part, I would say that a person who has ticked more higher grade routes then me is, gasp, a better climber. Why is it wrong for someone to be a better climber?

Tick lists are not good or bad, they are just a record. If you have issues with your climbing, ticking or not ticking is not going to fix them.

Post by **Huggybone** » Tue May 17, 2005 1:46 pm

I think the 'I'm better than you..." is a perception that comes from feeling inferior. How many climbers do I know that actually believe that they a better because they can climb hard? Maybe 2 or 3, that's it.

Post by KD » Tue May 17, 2005 1:50 pm

Wes wrote: Tick lists are not good or bad, they are just a record. If you have issues with your climbing, ticking or not ticking is not going to fix them.

You are correct - my problem - simply with me is focusing on the list - the past and not the present. I'll probably put a list up again one day - but i jus' want to try this for my head. I might be totally wrong about this but i'm jus checkin' my motivation out is all. It's cool that people have tick lists - there's nothing wrong with tick lists or those who use and enjoy them.

Post by **Meadows** » Tue May 17, 2005 2:53 pm

I like to finish so I can get on another really cool route.

Post by **Meadows** » Tue May 17, 2005 2:55 pm

P.S. I like having a printable version of my ticklist so I don't have to ask VA to loan me the guidebook that I sold her.

I may not be a better climber, but I'm proud that I currently have 69 sends in the Red. LOL

Post by KD » Tue May 17, 2005 2:57 pm

Meadows wrote:I like to finish so I can get on another really cool route.

good motivation - do you enjoy repeating routes after you send them - ya know - jus for the sake of the climb?

Post by **Meadows** » Tue May 17, 2005 3:03 pm

Of course! Not always, but most of the time.

Post by KD » Tue May 17, 2005 3:06 pm

awsome! - i enjoy repeats too - it's jus fun to climb sometimes no matter what.

Post by **Artsay** » Tue May 17, 2005 3:13 pm

I like the tick lists and use mine for several purposes. I can look at mine and see the routes I've toproped and recognize that most of them were during a time when I was going through some major head issues. Now I just want to go back and repeat them so as to test my current state of mind and expand my comfort zone. I also like to use it to see gaps in grades so I can goal towards filling those gaps and having a stronger base.

Essentially it's just data and can be used however you want. Better to have it then to not. That's what I think, at least.