I'm so sick of hearing.......

[J-Rock]

I'm sick of hearing...

Everytime I go climbing, and people come down fr a route, and the first thing they talk about is the grade, and whether or not they think it is accurate.

Me too! Like Ray said, the enjoyment of the route should matter more than the grade.

Johhny had a good quote in his guidebook about route grades:

"Before trashing a particular rating, make sure you compare it to an analogous climb; otherwise, your particular strengths and weaknesses will create their own disparities. The best advice I can give you is that if you think a climb is much easier than the rating I have assigned, then brag to your friends about how well you climb. If you think I have underrated a climb, then tell your friends that a hold broke since this book was printed and it is probably a grade harder now." --John Bronaugh


Makes sense to me.

[KD]

I'm sick of hearing... I'll just climb with KD then.

[Artsay]

Pertaining to climbing...

I'm sick of hearing excuses. Climb or don't climb, send or don't send. It doesn't matter the choice or outcome. I just get sick of hearing all the excuses.

[Wes]

Pertaining to climbing...

I'm sick of hearing excuses. Climb or don't climb, send or don't send. It doesn't matter the choice or outcome. I just get sick of hearing all the excuses.

Amen.

[KD]

Actually, one thing I'm sick of hearing (for real) is, "We've added 40 officers to the downtown district." Let's see, the Louisville Metro PD lost 150 cops from the downtown district, then they quadrupled the size of the district, then they hired 40 officers... I don't think that adds up to an increase, do you?

It doesn't and the officers don't like it either - in fact as urban crime rises within those districts and officers have less resources to deal with problems - it really pisses them off because it leaves them vulnerable in unsafe situatiions. They and anybody with a brain know it's just the big whigs playing a geography game.

[Spragwa]

Pertaining to climbing...

I'm sick of hearing excuses. Climb or don't climb, send or don't send. It doesn't matter the choice or outcome. I just get sick of hearing all the excuses.

But Artsay, my iron's low

[Horatio Felacio]

if you don't have an excuse for not sending, then you're a weak-ass that strayed to far from blue plate special.

[meetVA]

I'm sick of hearing HOFO and SCIN constantly encourage eachother.

HOFO: I know you have the potential to acheive this route with style and grace. It is within you SCIN, just reach inside and let the climber out. Realize your potential.

SCIN: Just repeat to yourself before a climb that intimidates you, "I'm strong enough, smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me." Then smile because that will help you release some tension. Sort of like a holistic self medication. Be one with the route.

[J-Rock]

From the book "American Rock" by Don Mellor:

"I fear, sometimes, that in the frenzied quest for high-end difficulty ratings, we risk seeing our places as simple means to an end. I hear people describe a route as "a 5.11" instead of "a beautiful crack." If this is the tendency for some climbers, then they are missing something important. If they don't know the wonder of the natural world, seasoned with the legends and myths of human endeavor -- in other words, essences more abstract but every bit as vital as the handhold in front of their face -- then their pursuit is sadly distilled to plain gymnastics. If their vocabulary doesn't include Camp 4, the Gendarme, the Naked Edge, or the Hex, or if they have to ask Yvon who?, then their experience is thin and bland and incomplete."

[kneebar]

I get tired of people saying "its too easy of a climb to get on (insert climb)". Hell, I'll anything within my grade if its a nice climb. For me the harder I climb just opens up more fine lines. Its nice to be able to kick back and enjoy the view.