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marathonmedic
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absolutely..if you can get enough admiring eyes to oogle your lats while doing push ups, I'd say that is spray material. Plus, sore lats are a great excuse to beg for a back massage...spray warm up falls? that is super easy..you are working on your mental game by taking planned whippers. or you are testing out a new belayer...
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Positive vibes brah...positive vibes.
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marathonmedic
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you'd need to define "count"....the piglet corollaries have been bastardized by frenchmen blowing chalk off their finger tips. somewhere along the line, pigsteak was accused of saying only 12's "count"....so in the interest of thread banter, I ran with it....
my original contention was that a 3rd grader playing tee ball is not in the same league with a major leaguer. we may call the little tyke a baseball player, but everyone knows that "real" ball players are those making the bucks...we humor the boy so as not to hurt his undeveloped ego. if someone were to infer that he really isn't a baseball player, he would whine and bawl, and ask mommy to make those mean people quit saying such things (sounds alot like things around here)...now, if the tyke stays with the sport, and develops adequate skills, he may some day become a true baseball player...or, he may end up in slowpitch church leagues or swilling brews with his buds and complaining how Sosa is a major bum...in those cases, he will harken his glory days instead of getting his furniture diseased (chest falling into his drawers) body out the door for some exertion.
here is where the chuffers on here decided to derail the theory. all is well and dandy if one chooses to participate in climbing as a recreational past time. but that does not make one a rock climber. I climbed Mt. Rainier once, but that does not make me a mountaineer now, does it? does ONLY pulling plastic make one a rock climber? not in my strict book...it makes you a gym rat.
I play tennis once a year with my niece, but not for a second do I call myself a tennis player...that merely was all the original corollary was about....when the whiners came out, I upped the standard to 5.12, just to see how self absorbed people really were. "how dare piggie say I am not a climber. that porkchop is jerky!" fine folks...call yourself whatever you want...my point was this...why in the world would you care what someone else calls your favorite pasttime? I would not have received scores of irritable PM's and posts shouting "off with his head" if you were truly comfortable with where you were at with your climbing...you would have laughed it off, or totally ignored it.
I am now finished with my psychological study. Hope we all had fun.
my original contention was that a 3rd grader playing tee ball is not in the same league with a major leaguer. we may call the little tyke a baseball player, but everyone knows that "real" ball players are those making the bucks...we humor the boy so as not to hurt his undeveloped ego. if someone were to infer that he really isn't a baseball player, he would whine and bawl, and ask mommy to make those mean people quit saying such things (sounds alot like things around here)...now, if the tyke stays with the sport, and develops adequate skills, he may some day become a true baseball player...or, he may end up in slowpitch church leagues or swilling brews with his buds and complaining how Sosa is a major bum...in those cases, he will harken his glory days instead of getting his furniture diseased (chest falling into his drawers) body out the door for some exertion.
here is where the chuffers on here decided to derail the theory. all is well and dandy if one chooses to participate in climbing as a recreational past time. but that does not make one a rock climber. I climbed Mt. Rainier once, but that does not make me a mountaineer now, does it? does ONLY pulling plastic make one a rock climber? not in my strict book...it makes you a gym rat.
I play tennis once a year with my niece, but not for a second do I call myself a tennis player...that merely was all the original corollary was about....when the whiners came out, I upped the standard to 5.12, just to see how self absorbed people really were. "how dare piggie say I am not a climber. that porkchop is jerky!" fine folks...call yourself whatever you want...my point was this...why in the world would you care what someone else calls your favorite pasttime? I would not have received scores of irritable PM's and posts shouting "off with his head" if you were truly comfortable with where you were at with your climbing...you would have laughed it off, or totally ignored it.
I am now finished with my psychological study. Hope we all had fun.
Positive vibes brah...positive vibes.
i think piggy has an interesting point. i think ego comes into play alot more than people admit it does. I know it does for me. i also find that it can keep me from trying things i would normally try due to the fear of failure just becuase of who i am around. it can totally mess up my climbing. i definately climb best around people who know me or where i could care less what people think. ego rarely helps me send. nor does competition. though they definately motivate some.
however, i think spray can both be freeing in regards to ego. sometimes when you spray and you are like there it is, that is how hard i can climb, it frees you. it limits you when you don't spray for the wrong reasons, such as hoping that people will assume you are better than you are. spaying can also motivate you to try harder. sometimes sharma like disattachment works, sometimes twight like self hate helps. it depends on what currently motivates you.
but, of course, i find that i don't judge others by how hard they climb. i might use that knowledge to determine if i think they know what they are talking about but i don't think less or more of them for how hard they climb. of course at the extreme ends, pros and noobs, i guess i do judge.
mostly i find i admire people who are out there enjoying themselves and trying hard. if they are toproping 5.8 and it is at their limit and they are scared of falling on TR and they are going one hundred percent, i think that is so rad. i wish i was trying that hard on my projects. if it is someone projecting a 5.12 and they are whipping again and again i think that is so rad. i wish i had that much determination.
the coolest problem i have ever seen sent was this v2 in bishop by this japanese girl. her boyfriend was projecting a 'hard' problem next to it with me and she was trying just as hard on the v2. she came back with us day after day and while we worked our project she worked hers. she finnally got and the look on her face was so awesome. to see her try so hard and give her everything was so inspiring, it got me psyched and I sent my project that day.
however, i think spray can both be freeing in regards to ego. sometimes when you spray and you are like there it is, that is how hard i can climb, it frees you. it limits you when you don't spray for the wrong reasons, such as hoping that people will assume you are better than you are. spaying can also motivate you to try harder. sometimes sharma like disattachment works, sometimes twight like self hate helps. it depends on what currently motivates you.
but, of course, i find that i don't judge others by how hard they climb. i might use that knowledge to determine if i think they know what they are talking about but i don't think less or more of them for how hard they climb. of course at the extreme ends, pros and noobs, i guess i do judge.
mostly i find i admire people who are out there enjoying themselves and trying hard. if they are toproping 5.8 and it is at their limit and they are scared of falling on TR and they are going one hundred percent, i think that is so rad. i wish i was trying that hard on my projects. if it is someone projecting a 5.12 and they are whipping again and again i think that is so rad. i wish i had that much determination.
the coolest problem i have ever seen sent was this v2 in bishop by this japanese girl. her boyfriend was projecting a 'hard' problem next to it with me and she was trying just as hard on the v2. she came back with us day after day and while we worked our project she worked hers. she finnally got and the look on her face was so awesome. to see her try so hard and give her everything was so inspiring, it got me psyched and I sent my project that day.
Back from the Dead!
Since this thread has drifted so far off topic I feel free to add this.
To me, there are only a few things that matter.
1) Be truthful to yourself and others about your climbing.
2) Strive for competence.
3) Try not to die or have anyone else die as you play this wonderful game we've chosen.
The first and second largely because of the third. And the third..., because there are almost certainly others who love you, no matter what you think of yourself, who would suffer unspeakable pain at your demise.
To suggest that anyone else is not a TRUE CLIMBER because they do not meet your personal definition is just nonsense.
To me, there are only a few things that matter.
1) Be truthful to yourself and others about your climbing.
2) Strive for competence.
3) Try not to die or have anyone else die as you play this wonderful game we've chosen.
The first and second largely because of the third. And the third..., because there are almost certainly others who love you, no matter what you think of yourself, who would suffer unspeakable pain at your demise.
To suggest that anyone else is not a TRUE CLIMBER because they do not meet your personal definition is just nonsense.