unknown walls/boulders?

Post by **mazzystr** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:29 pm

During a bushwack this past weekend I saw 2 large boulders and 2 walls between Fortress Wall and Phantasia Wall that arent in a guide books or online guide book.

Does anyone know their status/names/route info?
Thanks,
-Chris

Post by **kafish2** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:53 am

Dude, you stumbled onto my ultra-secret training grounds, stay off!!! Access is denied to all!

Just joking but someone needed to reply right?

Post by **J-Rock** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:08 am

Yeah, I walked that cliffline all the way from Fortress to Phantasia 5 or 6 years ago and we did some trad routes, but never told anybody about them (nothing too noteworthy). We also accidentally stumbled into a turkey vulture nest and the fuzzy baby vulture kept hissing at me very loudly. I didn't want to disturb it so we quickly retreated and rappeled down.

Post by **mazzystr** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:47 pm

The walls looked pretty nice. one wall had a nice flake system similiar to Party Time at Fortress and the other wall had a real nice crack system. it was my 2nds first time tradding so i didnt want to drag him up a FA without knowing the "ropes" heehee. the rock quality was very nice.

Is there any other reason why they havent been developed? access wasn't bad at all. actually at times i thought i was following an rarely used established trail, could've been an animal run though becuase of droppings.

Who would I have to speak to in developing routes here?

Thanks,
-C

Post by **Huggybone** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:00 pm

I believe that is forest service land. If you want to climb the routes, go ahead, but if you want to build trails and stuff, talk to either the forest service or the RRGCC.

Post by **mazzystr** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:17 pm

sounds good.

same thing goes for establishing sport routes?

Post by **squeezindlemmon** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:04 pm

If it is indeed FS land, then you wouldn't want to be putting in sport routes since they don't allow the use of those powerful hammer drills (I think).

For any new routes at the Red, I also think you had to get in touch with the RRGCC and send in a request form....
http://www.rrgcc.org/index16349.php

Post by **Ascentionist** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:11 pm

I don't thikn you have to go through the RRGCC. You should be able to go directly to the FS.

I might be wrong, but I don't think so.

Post by **rhino** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:38 pm

Just the FS

Post by **Ascentionist** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:18 pm

Yeah, you could go through what quite a few climbers went through a few years ago when they went through the RRGCC and had their applications tabled at the RRGCC level. Never made it to the FS even because they were considered too low a priority on the Coalition's list of things to do.

That would have been fine, except the applications were invited. Then "lost".

Of course, very few of the coalition members knew that they had decided collectively to ignore the applications. It wasn't really a democratic decision in my opinion.

I may open the wrong can of worms by saying this. Hope not, just trying to be informative.