so who is Rockman and who was supposed to have done the FA's of Calming Curtis and Liken the Lichen if it wasn't Josh? What are the routes supposed to be named/rated? Is this information in R&I? (I haven't read my copy yet.) Are the FA's of Broken Chicken Wing and Rebar also in dispute?
Jared, I too find it very strange that this route information would stand uncorrected after all this time... I'm not saying I don't believe it, but I can't help but think that someone would know and get the corrected information out there--wouldn't they? I'd like to get the correct information into the guidebook. I'm sure Ray would like that, too, before he goes to press with the printed guidebook. In fact, if there are any other glaring mistakes in the guidebook database, please start a thread in the "problems" forum and bring it to our attention. If you make comments in the guidebook, we may not notice them.
Corrections/additions for the on-line guide: post here
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Corrections/additions for the on-line guide: post here
This is from another thread, but I thought I'd start a new one here:
Great idea Sandy. I'll let you guys know if I see any potential mistakes. I constantly hear rumors about reported FA disputes throughout the history of the Red. I don't know who Rockman is, but it seems that these problems could be easily prevented by responsible reporting of new routes. We will do our best to do our part accurately and promptly. It only takes a few minutes to avoid future inconsistencies.
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I totally agree, Jared. Thanks for the offer to help.
One thing I've noticed when I'm looking through the guidebook is that occasionally people make comments relevent to the history of the route. Of course I investigate these--when I see them. It's the comments that may be going unnoticed that concern me. I'm sure people assume their comments will be seen by those of us that maintain the guidebook, but unfortunately, they may not be. We only see them if we are looking at that route for some reason... which we may never do once we enter the info and/or tick off the route. So please, everyone, draw our attention to mistakes by posting in this forum. (Even if they are just type-o's.) Thanks!
Note that no significant changes will be made without verification, so if anyone sees mistakes and can also share additional information to help get the information corrected, that'd be much appreciated.
One thing I've noticed when I'm looking through the guidebook is that occasionally people make comments relevent to the history of the route. Of course I investigate these--when I see them. It's the comments that may be going unnoticed that concern me. I'm sure people assume their comments will be seen by those of us that maintain the guidebook, but unfortunately, they may not be. We only see them if we are looking at that route for some reason... which we may never do once we enter the info and/or tick off the route. So please, everyone, draw our attention to mistakes by posting in this forum. (Even if they are just type-o's.) Thanks!
Note that no significant changes will be made without verification, so if anyone sees mistakes and can also share additional information to help get the information corrected, that'd be much appreciated.
If your guide book will also include the Oil Crack, then I have couple of routes to share with you. *No, I didn't bolt them, but I got the FA just as the anchors went up.
email me if you are planning to include above area.
vic@purweb.com
email me if you are planning to include above area.
vic@purweb.com
! Enough with all that detestation ALREADY !
Smile & be thankful for what you have.
Smile & be thankful for what you have.
There are a ton of "new" routes in the online guide that people put up and post info on under the comments subject of the nearest climb to it. Most are on F.S. land (but not all) so I always thought that's why they were never added to the guide as their own climb, but I'm also sure the right people never read them. I can scrounge up most of that info relatively quickly if you want, I can even PM it to someone. Now I can tell my dad being an historian was worth all the money I spent on a college degree 
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Access to the crag in question, Oil Crack, is owned by Charmane Oil. Charmane has made it perfectly clear to the RRGCC and thus all climbers that their property is closed to climbing. I feel that continuing to provide information about climbing routes at Oil Crack tempts climber to defy Charmane's closure and thus further jeopardizes the potential for negotiations with Charmane concerning access.vic wrote:If your guide book will also include the Oil Crack, then I have couple of routes to share with you. *No, I didn't bolt them, but I got the FA just as the anchors went up.
email me if you are planning to include above area.
vic@purweb.com
"Be responsible for your actions and sensitive to the concerns of other visitors and land managers. ... Your reward is the opportunity to climb in one of the most beautiful areas in this part of the country." John H. Bronaugh
I can understand the reticence concerning information about closed crags (like the Oil Crag), but I don't understand why there is so much chaos and confusion regarding coalition crags that are NOT closed (like the Gallery) nor do I understand what is so difficult about getting that information out there to the public. I realize that there are constant problems with the coalition website. Well, in the meantime that information could be posted over here on Ray's route database (or even at a kiosk in the parking area like so many other climbing areas across the country have done). There are many possible solutions...
"Those iron spikes you use have shortened the life expectancy of the Totem Pole by 50,000 years."
--A Navaho elder
--A Navaho elder