Spencer's Film (Red River Ruckus)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:20 am

charlie wrote:Depends, how easy are you and which special place are we referring to?

I'd like to know this, too.

So licking would help?

Post by **Toad** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:37 am

Post by **busty** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:06 am

Toad wrote: If you were to go through the trouble to find a really cool, secluded place that nobody has touched and that has super long lines and the potential for about numerous routes, would you want everyone beating a path to it? If a small group of people do the work, then they should probably be the ones to reap the rewards.

It seems like this is exactly what is happening at Muir Valley. And much thanks to the Webers and everyone helping them do it.

Post by **J-Rock** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:18 am

busty wrote:
It seems like this is exactly what is happening at Muir Valley. And much thanks to the Webers and everyone helping them do it.

Exactly.

Post by **J-Rock** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:54 am

Toad wrote:I posted the photo so that others may enjoy looking at the climb.

It is definitely a gorgeous cliff, but that just makes me want to climb it even more!

Toad wrote:The point of putting up routes is for others to enjoy? Maybe the easy routes. I don't know of too many climbers that are bolting hard lines with the sole intent of letting others get the FA.

Yes, the point of putting up routes should be for others to enjoy, regardless of whether they are easy or hard and regardless of who does the FA. Obviously the person bolting the route will most likely be the one to complete the FA, but it seems like it would be such a waste of time, money, and effort to be the only one to climb such a beautiful route. Besides, the greatest joy is surely knowing that others will enjoy something that you helped to make possible (even if they squabble about the ratings, complain about bolt placements, dirty or friable rock, loose holds, and bitch about the trails, etc. - a little bit of that is to be expected and tolerated).

Toad wrote:If you were to go through the trouble to find a really cool, secluded place that nobody has touched and that has super long lines and the potential for about numerous routes, would you want everyone beating a path to it? If a small group of people do the work, then they should probably be the ones to reap the rewards.

The trails should be developed as well and done in such a way as to effectively handle the increased traffic. The small group of people that do the work will definitely be the ones to reap the rewards when they learn that others were pleased with their efforts. A job well done will be its own reward. Yet, the greatest benefit will surely be thinking about the enjoyment of future climbers and knowing that you helped to make that possible. A little bit of vision and a whole lot of hard work will go a long way.

Post by **diggum** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:02 am

Post by **ynot** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:06 am

Post by **J-Rock** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:09 am

By the way, hat's off to Jia Como for such an impressive line! Very nice! Too bad it's not in Spencer's video. Or is it? It looks amazing!

Post by **Caspian** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:01 am

Many thanks J-Rock, and also to all the other many people that contributed to the developement of climbing in the gorge for others to share.

Post by **marathonmedic** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:24 am

Kiss up.