Yea, from your description I'd have to say you be a ass for taking his shit. And I'm sure you are just joking about anything left at the base is booty, I'm certain you have left a pack at the base of climbs before.ynp1 wrote:if it is left or found at the base it is booty. i took a guys aider when he dropped it off of leaning tower, but i was pissed because he was going really slow and made me have to bail. fuck maybe im an asshole, but he did speak english so i didnt know what he was yelling at me...
Booty Ethics
If I know the person who left the gear then I will find them and give it back. (Also, I owe a "thank you" to kneebar for returning a cam to me). Or if the climber is still in the area then I will also return it to them. However, often I find stoppers, nuts, and occassionally a cam while climbing trad routes and I usually keep the gear. I've gotten 2 cams, 5 stoppers, 3 lowe tri-cams, and 3 hexes, this way.
I've also lost a few pieces due to impending weather forcing a retreat, etc. If I can get back to the route soon enough to retrieve it that's cool. But, if not, then I don't expect it to remain for long and I will hope that it be a reward for somebody else and that it will get put to some good use. In the end, the karma will balance out and I'll probably end up keeping much more than I lose.
As far as development goes... if the gear is left on a route that is currently being bolted/cleaned, etc. then that is NOT booty gear.
I've also lost a few pieces due to impending weather forcing a retreat, etc. If I can get back to the route soon enough to retrieve it that's cool. But, if not, then I don't expect it to remain for long and I will hope that it be a reward for somebody else and that it will get put to some good use. In the end, the karma will balance out and I'll probably end up keeping much more than I lose.
As far as development goes... if the gear is left on a route that is currently being bolted/cleaned, etc. then that is NOT booty gear.
"Those iron spikes you use have shortened the life expectancy of the Totem Pole by 50,000 years."
--A Navaho elder
--A Navaho elder
I have been fortunate up to now that I have not had to leave anything but a few nuts on climbs. When I am forced to leave a cam (notice I said when not if, its bound to happen now) I figure its booty to some lucky climber.
As far as giving J-Rock his cam back, he would do the same he's just that kind of guy. Good karma all around.
As far as giving J-Rock his cam back, he would do the same he's just that kind of guy. Good karma all around.
I think it is pretty clear by now. If you leave any gear behind it is pretty much booty. That is a well accepted practice. More so if you leave it on the route.
Some poeple will try to find the owner but don't count on it. If you get something back, considere yourself lucky.
Last fall my partner and I left a Forge Friend near C Sharp at Roadside. We climbed until dark and we did not check gear until the next day. Either the person who cleaned the route left it in the crack or we left it on the ground among the leaves. We went there the next day and did not find it. We knew it was lost so we did not post on the net nor did we put a note at Miguel's.
Some poeple will try to find the owner but don't count on it. If you get something back, considere yourself lucky.
Last fall my partner and I left a Forge Friend near C Sharp at Roadside. We climbed until dark and we did not check gear until the next day. Either the person who cleaned the route left it in the crack or we left it on the ground among the leaves. We went there the next day and did not find it. We knew it was lost so we did not post on the net nor did we put a note at Miguel's.
In most other sports you need one ball.