What did everyone get on this weekend?

Post by **pigsteak** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:42 pm

the V scale is more useful than it is evil...if you hate it, it is probably because your spray doesn't live up to the the reality of what you SAY you send.

Post by **Buster** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:56 pm

pigsteak wrote:the V scale is more useful than it is evil...if you hate it, it is probably because your spray doesn't live up to the the reality of what you SAY you send.

The V scale is usefull? Really? How?
It's not like you are going to get in over your head on a boulder problem and have to get rescued (well maybe that is not the case for you). The more specific you try to get with these grades the less accurate the grades become.

Post by **pigsteak** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:34 pm

the V scale is a gauge of where we are climbing. the speed limit tells you if you are speeding. the scales tell you if you need to lose weight. a watch tells you when you have run 30 minutes. a grade of 67 on an exam tells you to study more, or change majors. a work review will let you know how you are performing. a 3 hour marathon will get you to Boston. a 3.8 GPA will get you your choice of jobs. the 17th of every month is my anniversary....etc.

numbers are a part of life...to pretend they don't matter is fooling yourself. same with naming problems and routes..together, they define a specific boundary, so later parties can gauge themselves against earlier ascentionists. people who hate the V scale have typically been sucked into gauging their identity off the number they send. THAT is the fault of the person, not the V scale.

Post by **meetVA** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:12 pm

skychick wrote:
usccabum1985 wrote:FUCK THE V ...
Never threaten the 'Power of the V' with those kinds of angry-vibe words.

Hear hear! We've lost many a gumby climber that way!

Post by **diggum** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:08 pm

Remember that miniseries "V" with the aliens who were lizards wearing people suits?

Post by **Buster** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:23 pm

pigsteak wrote:the V scale is a gauge of where we are climbing. the speed limit tells you if you are speeding. the scales tell you if you need to lose weight. a watch tells you when you have run 30 minutes. a grade of 67 on an exam tells you to study more, or change majors. a work review will let you know how you are performing. a 3 hour marathon will get you to Boston. a 3.8 GPA will get you your choice of jobs. the 17th of every month is my anniversary....etc.

numbers are a part of life...to pretend they don't matter is fooling yourself. same with naming problems and routes..together, they define a specific boundary, so later parties can gauge themselves against earlier ascentionists. people who hate the V scale have typically been sucked into gauging their identity off the number they send. THAT is the fault of the person, not the V scale.

You're clueless.

Post by **pigsteak** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:28 pm

lol buster..you are not the first person to tell me that. I'd love for you to give me your opinion on why thre v scale is so "evil"...Ever read Sherman's take on it? Supposed to be a simple scale for Hueco, going no higher than v10, and then people turned it on its ear. At times he has lamented he ever invented it.

But i remain convinced that people, and not the scale, are to blame. Fire away to dissuade me, instead of just throwing out trite comments.

Post by **charlie** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:00 pm

meetVA wrote:
skychick wrote:
usccabum1985 wrote:FUCK THE V ...
Never threaten the 'Power of the V' with those kinds of angry-vibe words.
Hear hear! We've lost many a gumby climber that way!

Yheessshhhh, don't even think you can question the Power of the V. Whether you know it or not it's the main reason any of us even started climbing. It's definitely what keeps bringing me back.

Post by **Buster** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:26 pm

To me the V-scale makes no sense. What I mean is that there is no consistancy in it. Vblahblahblahs (name your area) are light (easy flash), yet this Vblahblahblah -1 (at some place you just got to) is wicked hard and took several tries. Each bouldering area has it's own style and you would think that even if the V-scale sucks for area to area comparison it might work within an area. This is not the case.

I think that each problem has it's own special qualites. Instead of defining your climbing ability by some stupid (and subjective) number why not define it by actual problems sent?

Post by **squeezindlemmon** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:31 pm

Eh?

Buster, there is no such thing as consistent in this world. Only inconsistency is consistent.