Military Wall Scoping Letter

Post by **Alan Evil** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:13 am

I said "campers" not "climbers." I figure most of the climbers in the Red camp at Miguel's. I also assume all of us know not to burn fences.

Post by **pawilkes** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:38 pm

Alan: read carefully b/c what he said makes sense. "Probabbly just get twisted around that it was a bunch of climbers."

Post by **Steve** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 4:28 am

Alan Evil wrote:I figure most of the climbers in the Red camp at Miguel's. I also assume all of us know not to burn fences.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. There are lots of climbers who don't camp at Miguel's, hell some that might not even go near the place. A group of non-local/out of towners where once spoted by the FS camped out at Military in the now closed section of cliff. Hell years ago I camped out at Left Flank. Of course that was pre cliff-line camping ban, but still...what was I thinking. Point is that there are a lot of uneducated folks using the Red River Gorge, some of them are climbers.

Post by **Alan Evil** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 4:51 am

Ok, let's get their names and kick them out of the club!

I've camped in a rock house (20 years ago) in or near the Daniel Boone NF. It was wonderful.

I've camped in the Red quite a few times and never at Miguel's. Miguel's reminds me too much of the Italian "Campings" from when I was bicycling Europe in the 80's. Maybe I should try it.

Did you hear about that time that guy took a dump on that arch and spray painted arrows to it before he drilled holes in the arch that made it collapse after he sport rappelled off it? What a bastard.

Bring me another vodka, Gladys, Jimmy needs a new scooter!

Post by **maitri** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:36 pm

Just a reminder:

The deadline for scoping comments on the Military Wall project is January 14th.

Have any of you concerned climbers and access watchdogs (crag dogs?) sent any comments to the Forest Service? From what I'm hearing, it doesn't sound like many comments have been received yet. Perhaps you are waiting till the last minute, or maybe you think someone else will do it. Maybe you're happy with the project as described, or maybe you've already written off Military Wall.

I just want to remind everyone: You have been invited to share your opinions and concerns about a proposal that could affect future climbing access at one of the most popular crags in the Red River Gorge.

For more information, check out Captain Static's posting on the RRGCC site. If you have any questions after that, you can call Jim Twarski at 606-663-2852.

Post by **captain static** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:01 pm

What Maitri said. Please check out the information and post your questions, comments, or other input here: http://www.rrgcc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=650#650
I will be drafting a short comment letter on behalf of the RRGCC and if anyone can provide any input, I will be glad to consider it for this letter.

Bill

Post by **Yasmeen** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:14 pm

CS - Here's what I got out of the two threads on the Coalition site. Please tell me if I understood this correctly:

Subatomic Fingerlock and Beene Material will be closed, but the routes from Hurricane Amy to Government Cheese will be opened. The .12 wall is in jeopardy.

I'm not claiming that this is fact-- I'm asking if my interpretation was right.

Thanks. =)

Post by **J-Rock** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 1:47 am

What is the archeological significance of the cattle pen? Just curious... I'm wondering how it was determined that this is a site worthy of a protective status. What is the criteria or requirements for such a designation?

Post by **captain static** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:06 pm

To see the response to Yameen's questions see: http://www.rrgcc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=145

J-Rock wrote:What is the archeological significance of the cattle pen? Just curious... I'm wondering how it was determined that this is a site worthy of a protective status. What is the criteria or requirements for such a designation?

I'm no archaeological expert but I have read and have access to the book "Kentucky Archaeology" by Lewis. Though this book makes no specific mention of the pens, I am assuming that they would be associated with the early exploration and settlement of Kentucky (1749-1810). Also, FYI the nitre mining in the Gorge was conducted in support of the war of 1812.

Post by **J-Rock** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 6:35 pm

Cool. I've read that much of the iron for the cannonballs was processed at the nearby town of Furnace.