Its disappointing to hear people attack lawyers since most people have no idea what we actually do.
Faces leering down at us from every other billboard remind us what many of your compatriots do. "Injured? Call 555-leech." They offer ne'er-do-wells a chance to extort money from others. Right or wrong doesn't come into play as much as the depth of the pocket of the defendant.
But, there are also plenty of us who are ethical and do a job that is necessary.
Wholehearted agreement.
Everything in your life has been touched by the legal system in some way that you probably never realize.
Love your choice of a verb in this sentence.
By the way, some of the greatest figures in American history were lawyers - ever heard of Abe Lincoln?
A list of great American lawyers could be matched with a list of infamous lawyers - ever heard of Richard Nixon?
This country was founded in part by lawyers, while the much esteemed doctors were busy treating people with leeches and bleeding them.
Now that sentence sounds like the typical cutesy slander that spews from trial lawyers' mouths. Not worthy of you, Busty. Doctors take a hippocratic oath that includes a promise to do no harm. Try imposing that oath on the Johnny Cochrans of your profession.
Might I also remind you that it is lawyers who are fighting to ensure that your access to climbing in the southern region remains.
And it's lawyers for Carmane Oil who are fighting to kick us out of the Southern Region. Never did see two doctors go at each other with scapels.
Hey, we really do love you, Busty. But, some of your profession don't play well with others.
Rick
We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand. - Randy Pausch
None are so old as those who have outlived enthusiasm. - Henry David Thoreau
DUDE, put it this way, the "experts" say they DON'T nest on very small ledges. And yet lots of people have seen these critters nesting on very small ledges. And you're comparing trusting empirical evidence to trusting old wives tales over modern medicine to treat cancer?!? Doesn't apply in this case.
If I see you wearing a pink thong, you can argue that it's not pink and say I'm color blind. But you can't argue that it's not a thong bec it's what I see!
Emancipate yourself from mental slavery. None but ourselves can free our mind. ~Bob Marley
Ok - I know I fouled up the quote stuff, but I'm on the way to work to do more lawyering.....
weber wrote:
Faces leering down at us from every other billboard remind us what many of your compatriots do. "Injured? Call 555-leech." They offer ne'er-do-wells a chance to extort money from others. Right or wrong doesn't come into play as much as the depth of the pocket of the defendant.
I agree. These attorneys are not the peak of our profession. In fact, most of my practice is spent defending my clients against personal injury suits filed by these attorneys. But, that being said, they must have a willing client/plaintiff. The lawyer can't just file the suit on their own. You have to be fairly motivated to go through an injury lawsuit as a plaintiff. Its very intrusive into one's personal life and medical history.
By the way, some of the greatest figures in American history were lawyers - ever heard of Abe Lincoln?
A list of great American lawyers could be matched with a list of infamous lawyers - ever heard of Richard Nixon?
Yes. Nixon is an idiot. His co-hort G. Gordon (unfortunately, also a lawyer) continues to be a boil on the butt of this country.
This country was founded in part by lawyers, while the much esteemed doctors were busy treating people with leeches and bleeding them.
Now that sentence sounds like the typical cutesy slander that spews from trial lawyers' mouths. Not worthy of you, Busty. Doctors take a hippocratic oath that includes a promise to do no harm. Try imposing that oath on the Johnny Cochrans of your profession.
And really my point was meant to be, but expressed in lawyer-speak - the legal profession was quite developed at the time of the founding of this country since we essentially took most of our legal concepts from England. Not many other professions that continue to exist today in the mainstream economy remain other than docs and lawyers. (Not many people are dipping candles by hand or shoeing horses -except in the Bluegrass) My point was - this is an old profession (so is prostitution, I know) and was well-developed even in the early 1700s. That really wasn't meant as an assault on docs. I defend them too.
Rick
I agree some of us don't play well with others. But, it doesn't make us all bad. I've only been practicing for 3 years, so I still see this profession from the "public" point of view to some extent. Truthfully, you may not like the position defendedby one or both sides, but for every lawyer who puts a bad name on the profession, there are uncounted numbers of ethical and good attorneys who aren't pursuing frivolous cases.
I'm an experienced woman; I've been around... well, alright, I might not've been around, but I've been... nearby.
~ Mary Richards (Mary Tyler Moore Show)
I see you wearing a pink thong, you can argue that it's not pink and say I'm color blind. But you can't argue that it's not a thong bec it's what I see!
I woke up to a scratching sound on the first bivy of Halfdome. So, I got up to inspect. Turned on my headlamp and look who was looking back - a rat. I simply muttered go home you rat and he walked off calmly. Obedient rats I tell you. We were worried we would catch the plague if we ate the mix after that. We got desperate later on and dove in any way. No plague!
There is a critical point being overlooked and misunderstood. The woodrat population is fine at the Red because it is their prime habitat. Mandala mentioned this. Saying they need no protection because there are plenty of them, is like saying you can shoot Whooping Cranes because there are Hundreds of them in Texas over the winter. The thing is, almost the entire Worlds population winters in Texarkana. This was the attitude unfortunate people took with the everglades. Countless Great White Egrets, who cares if we shoot them and sell the feathers for the Victorian grande hat industry. Little did they know (or care) that most of the world population overwintered in the 'glades. Seemed like a lot of birds at the time. No one had trouble finding them. They were everywhere. Probably even some nested in the everglade version of the Love Shack. Nonetheless, 90% of the U.S. population has been killed. It still seems like there are a lot of birds if you go to the everglades in the month of February. Problem is, the population there now is only 10% of what it historically was in 1910. Are the remaining birds fitter, in an evolutionary sense. Only if the birds are bullet proof. Last time I checked, metal bullets flying 800 feet per second could still pierce feathers. In fact, the birds are less fit because their genetic variability has been severely contracted.
In response to R-Ray's scenarios why don't Mandala & J-rock document nest sites & population in Coal Bank Hollow over a period of time while we continue to climb and develop new climbs at will? The data would then be analyzed and a report produced concerning the impact of climbing on the AW-rat. Then if or when it became a Federal or State issue we would be in a much better position to respond.
"Be responsible for your actions and sensitive to the concerns of other visitors and land managers. ... Your reward is the opportunity to climb in one of the most beautiful areas in this part of the country." John H. Bronaugh
captain static wrote:In response to R-Ray's scenarios why don't Mandala & J-rock document nest sites & population in Coal Bank Hollow over a period of time while we continue to climb and develop new climbs at will? The data would then be analyzed and a report produced concerning the impact of climbing on the AW-rat. Then if or when it became a Federal or State issue we would be in a much better position to respond.
Great point Captian...I think this whole discussion is pointless until we can prove that our low impact climbing presents poses a threat to these rats. Just steer clear of them like we do with all other animals we encounter and they will be fine.
Mandala if you are still reading this, please pm me or email me rhunter513@hotmail.com, I would love to discuss your reseach findings.
Also I'll be at the solar collector this saturday(11-13-04), maybe all parties truly interested in this issue could meet there to discuss in person what we should do.
