Dick Cheney

Post by **Alan Evil** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:59 pm

A good hike with some good scrambling is down Grand Gulch to the San Juan. What a view. The top of Comb Ridge is pretty breathtaking as well.

Post by **Alan Evil** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:58 pm

ynot wrote:No mystery. 20 years of drought scattered them.

Yes and no. The drought had a lot to do with them moving from the plateau tops down into the canyons (we actually found the outlines of some foundations near the head of Grand Gulch, pottery EVERYWHERE!) but there were other factors at work. One theory has it that they were being taxed by the Aztecs who definitely had artifacts from the Basketweavers. A few years back some archeologists found cannabilized human bones (not only had these people obviously been cooked but there were clear gnaw marks on the bones). This fits nicely with the tax collector theory. "You won't give us the corn, huh? Well, let this be a lesson to your neighbors." At some point between being unable to raise food, and being under attack from their "rulers" to the south they may have fled and/or simply died out. But we just don't know. Some of these things are hinted at in verbal histories but the art and habitation ends at the same time in that area and it's before they would've been completely starved out from drought. I also think it may have happened before at some point.

Post by **Yasmeen** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:42 pm

Alan Evil wrote:Then again, if you ever watch this administration they never answer a question. They just repeat the same tired rhetoric they always do whether it has anything to do with the question or not.

Yes yes yes yes and yes. Okay, back to nature...

Post by **ynot** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:56 pm

Gibberish. I told you what happened.

Post by **tomdarch** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:25 am

So anyway, Cheney is one of those people who can lie to themselves so well they believe their own lies

I don't think that's quite right. Dick Cheney believes some scary, goofy shit, but he doesn't really believe what he's saying. Instead, he believes that his 'cause' is so important that blatantly lying just isn't a problem.

Cheney is smart and well informed, so he knows that he's wildly full of shit when he complains about, for example, Kerry voting against some loaded up bill that happened to contain a reference to some outmoded, pure pork weapons system (that usually Dick also opposed). I'm sure that Dick knows full well that every major military funding bill that made it to Reagan's desk had John Kerry's vote.

As for Dick's lack of enthusiasm answering questions, to me, it came across as his disdain for the whole idea of having to debate someone. I am genuinely concerned that it reflects a disdain on his part for the reality of democracy. I think it's likely that Dick knows about a lot of the voter suppression techniques that are going to be deployed in low-income areas around the country to scare people off, and it's fine with him. (These are things like Jeb Bush's police roadblocks or putting up posters in black neighborhoods that imply that you need multiple IDs to vote or that you'll be arrested at the polls if you have outstanding parking tickets)

But for all of that, I still can't fucking believe that the fucker was bold enough to flat-out lie that he hasn't been going around claiming that Sadam was behind the 9/11/01 attacks.

Wasn't it a Nazi propogandist who talked about telling a big enough lie?

Post by **kato** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:56 pm

"...lie that he hasn't been going around claiming that Sadam was behind the 9/11/01 attacks."

Do you have an example?

Post by **Crankmas** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:12 pm

from my take on things I see Tom's point, a good bill will come along and then get so much trash attached to it that it loses it original intentions, then if you vote against the bill your opponent holds it against you when you couldn't weigh the benefits of the good versuses the bad, sad state of affairs-armed insurrection anyone?

Post by **lordjim_2001** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:23 pm

Crankmas wrote:armed insurrection anyone?

They say the cure for 1984 is 1776.
They also say: ballot, soap, jury, ammo. The 4 boxes of freedom. Use in that order.

If ballot isn't working to your liking then get on your soap.

Post by **meetVA** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:35 pm

[quote="Paul3eb"]just keeping you on the straight and narrow

[quote]

i am neither straight or narrow, thank you very much. don't pigeon-hole me into your political categories.

but i do believe you are correct if you really want to take an overly-literal interpretation of declining to respond to points brought up by the other candidate.

maybe i was disenchatned by a relative lack of information vs. abundance of political rhetoric spewing forth out of his mouth.

Post by **Crankmas** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:39 pm

lordjim thanks for the flowsheet of political procedure, I'm always jumping ahead a step or two huh, shoot first preach later- wanna climb Saturday?