trad rack for the Red

[Yasmeen]

I agree with Jeff-- Aliens for small sizes, BD Camalots for the larger sizes. What's really the difference between spending $40/cam on Trango or $55/cam on Camalots? Not that I'm slamming Trango or anything, but I'd rather spend an extra $15/cam and get something I feel truly safe placing and falling on.

[KD]

Usually at the end of summer, somebody waill have a sale on camalots where you can get them for 20 percent off. I squirrelled some cash away until one of these clearances came my way then bought mine. I love my Camalots. A few years ago I was in Lexington for a teacher conference and went to Phillip Galls during a break. They had a set of aliens that they couldn't sell and gave me about 30 percent off if I bought the whole set. It's expensive so save money when you can.

[TradMike]

Aliens for small stuff because they tend to swivel to follow loading rather than walk out, the softer metal has better bite on the sandstone of the Red and they just fit everywhere. I have taken a big fall on the red alien in the Red and it deformed to the shape of the pebbles in the rock. If it would have been a different cam it probably would have crush the pebbles in the rock and spit out the cam. Camalots from #1 on up because range, range and more range. Yes, they are heavier than most cams but you just can't beat the range and durability. Doubles are nice to have below and including #3. You will need the big stuff in the Red as well.

[Gravesrs]

Yasmeen right man..."won't be cheap"! Give me as call or come on in. I will hook you up with some gear at 20% off and have you hand jammin and camin in know time brother!

Scott
SUN@SKI
(513) 745-0099

[karbboy]

so BD cams from .5 up and doubled to the #3. what brand do you think is the best for stoppers? I'm a neophyte to clmbing only been to the red once

[KD]

DMM stoppers are great for fitting almost everywhere. They are expensive though and you wont want to leave any behind if you have to bail.

[rumbling]

full set of stoppers
tricams up to the white one
camalots: .5, .75, 1, 2, 3, 4 you can even skip #4 if you really wanna

That'll get you started, especially to do put up some easier stuff with your son and doesn't get you wasting money to double up on cams. Don't listen to the 'I don't like to place passive gear' crap. A good passive piece is as good as a cam. Sometimes trickier to place but that just takes some getting used to. Anyway, use this rack for a while and you'll know where you want to expand or start doubling up on your cams. small cams will be a good place to start... and hand size stuff. If you want to expand your hand size gear cheaply pick up a couple of hexes.