New area near the motherlode

Post by **Stewy911** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 5:23 pm

I was told that there is a new area being developed near the motherlode and that this area had many similar characteristics to the motherlode. Does anyone know about this area and when it might be opening up to us climbers?

Post by **pigsteak** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 5:47 pm

are you wanting to help with trails, pay money for route equipping, and spend several weekends cleaning the lines? or do you just want to climb after the work is done?

I want to climb after the work is done.

Post by **Stewy911** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:41 pm

I wouldnt mind helping with the operations at all, not too experienced with that but i can figure it out pretty fast.

Post by **jefflehmkuhl** » Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:46 pm

pigsteak wrote:are you wanting to help with trails, pay money for route equipping, and spend several weekends cleaning the lines? or do you just want to climb after the work is done?

I want to climb after the work is done.

Good to know you are such a helpful individual when it comes to answering people's questions, also considering that the majority of people that are going to end up climbing there are people that did absolutely NOTHING to help with the development of the crag. I remember the day when climbers would sit there and spend countless hours developing their crags not wanting help from others so that they could have a sense of pride when all was said and done. Now, it just seems like everyone is being pussies about doing the work that needs to be done to the crags that THEY are developing. Stop pawning things off and just suck it up and do it. If I found a new crag at the red that i thought was worth bolting, i would keep it to a few select people and we would get it set for people before we let the worm out of the can. Sorry if you feel otherwise, but I guess this is going to be the new trend in red river climbing: unless you help all of us out, you can't climb here. It's like a little kid playing with his friends and saying," Well if I am out, then I am taking my ball and bat and going home and you can't play anymore

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BLAH!

Post by **the lurkist** » Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:03 pm

You are a retard, Jeff.
A world class crag gets developed and the world is invited to come and use/enjoy it. Do you know how much time it takes to develope a single route, much less a single crag with proper approach trails and hardened bases? It is real work. I'm talking blue collar swinging a maddock using a chain saw build shit kind of work. Let me tell you how fucking rewarding it is to put your sweat into an area like coal bank, only to have a bunch of bitching entitled whiney climbers moan about their shoes getting wet and how you need to fix the step on the trail and they disapprove of a bolt placement on ethics police. It is oh so reaffirming to get this feed back. It makes you want to go out and fucking serve the people some more. Know what I mean? No you wouldn't b/c your time is too precious to put in some time fixing the fifth bolt on Skin Boat (didn't notice it is about to go, did you? figures...) You are quick to call for pride in workmanship, as long as you aren't doing any of the work and get to criticize. You know, they have a phrase for my reaction to your attitude- I think it is "Fuck You". Why don't you put in your time at Climb Time Cinci or John Bryan State park, and I'll put mine in the Red and we will agree to disagree. Sounds fair to me.
My apologies to those of you who might be insulted, other than Jeff, of course.

Post by **jefflehmkuhl** » Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:27 pm

First off fuckwad, I don't bitch about the trails anywhere in the red or the bolt placements. So, suck my dick! As for not knowing what it is like to work hard towards something and have everyone telling you this should have been done or that should have been done, fuck you on that too! You don't think I get shit up here in cincy for this route or that route because some short fuck can't reach a hold without dynoing or dead pointing. Because someone had a hard time clipping a bolt(i.e undesired bolt placement), or that we don't hear shit when one of the draws, ropes, or any other piece of equipement is showing signs of wear! You, sir, are a total fucking backwards ass if you think that just because you bolt shit at the red, of all places, and put in time building the trails, that you know more about what it is like to get shit from people for your craftsmanship and effort. And just to clear things up a bit as far as doing anything down at the red, I have helped bolt 2 routes down by the lode, with a person i wish I had never been friends with years ago(tony re-dildo). However, I would still say that that counts as an outdoor effort to help build the ever growing number of routes at the red. And you know what, fuck off! I go to school full time(which takes up around 20-25 hrs of my week) and work full time as well(40 hrs a week), so if you don't like my schedule, then why don't you work up here so I get paid, and I will glad come down there and help out, just to get out of this fucking gym for a week. Sound like a deal??? Or don't you care enough about your precious red river gorge to do something to get another person down there being proactive rather than being a retard as you so dilligently stated?

You know Hughe(sp), for someone that I have been around a bit and never had any problems with, you are a fucking dildo, and maybe you should just stay down in the sticks, so you don't fuck things up worse up here

Post by **tomdarch** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 12:16 am

yeah, yeah, yeah. So what's up with this other crag?

Post by **young'n climber** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 1:06 am

Isn't it called the Gallery?

Post by **the lurkist** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 1:52 am

Jeff,
I was thinking about what you said. I wrote a mean post, but now edit it.
To be honest with you, it is cool to build something and then open it up for folks to come and see. I'll tell you the nicest compement I ever received concerning climbing was from Greg Child and Simon Carter. They where up at the SC photographing Lisa Gnade. Child asked if I had helped developed the area. I said that, yes, along with several others, we developed it together. They both said, very enthusiastically, "Nice Trails!" and went on to spray about the trails, etc... I had to tell them that it was Neal Strickland who was the brains and a good deal of brawn behind the SC trail (credit where credit is due).
I am sure you do get slagged a lot for route setting.
I am more concerned with the MP being a factor in community building and not being devisive, that is all. I think if folks have the opportunity to help, they will be more included. I see that as lacking right now, and the greater project/mission of the RRGCC benefiting from more grass roots involvement.
Sorry about the reactionary post. It was the first after work beer on an empty stomach. Alcohol does lower inhibition.

Post by **the lurkist** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 2:06 am

BTW,
Lexington is more cosmopolitan than you think. We have a Graeters and just got a Star Bucks. Big time!