Why the reputation?
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captain static
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Gee I am, whether you are a troll or not, why don't you spell out why those hardcore's despise the RRGCC?
"Be responsible for your actions and sensitive to the concerns of other visitors and land managers. ... Your reward is the opportunity to climb in one of the most beautiful areas in this part of the country." John H. Bronaugh
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andy_lemon
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Every summer when I goto Miguel's there is always a change in who "lives" at Miguel's. A bunch of posuers usually hang out there for a few months and then go take up sea kayaking or some other lame sport, while the climbers that are actually "hardcore", have a change of venue and move on with their lives. So with that said... the RRGCC probably focus more on the people that live in a house in Lexington rather than the people that live in a tent at Miguel's.giam wrote:some of the hardcore regular climbers who live at miguel's despise the rrgcc.
Just an observation...
Not a bitch.
The RRGCC works very hard for access and I applaud the members. My understanding in speaking with some of the climbers around here who have been around from the beginning is that the negative views began years ago.
First, people put bolters and climbers off by trying to force their ethics down people's throats. Guys and girls who had been climbing at the Red for years were suddenly told to alter their behavior by people who hadn't been climbing very long. This information was conveyed in a totally underhanded manner. No one spoke face to face but they started rumors and generally bad-mouthed other climbers. Ethics needed to change, but the people skills were lacking. Instead, the RRGCC came off as a bunch of hypocritical egocentric know-it-alls trying to enforce rules, which had not previously existed. Oh then John wrote the guidebook and included a lot of crags that people didn't want published. That didn't help much.
Second, the negative connotation continued by the RRGCC's paranoia and continued ham-handed dealings with climbers. Paranoia that if information got out to those poor stupid climbers then there would be carnage and fear (sarcasm). Funny thing is that 90% of what the RRGCC thinks is super secret info, 85% of the climbing community already knows but doesn't care about. Except the events at Derby Fest. That's always a state secret.
Third, the RRGCC has been terrible at following up with volunteers or running off really good ones because of personality conflicts. Thus a TON of work is put on a few people (see Vic's post). It becomes time-consuming and frustrating. They have also been pretty bad at working to mitigate the negative connotation attached to the Coalition. While Andy's point that "the RRGCC probably focus more on the people that live in a house in Lexington rather than the people that live in a tent at Miguel's" is well-taken, it's the guys living at Miguel's and hanging out at the cliff who have direct access to other young climbers. What is reputation except for word of mouth? So, the RRGCC needs better word of mouth.
Finally, with all of these faults, the Coalition is the best that we have for The Red. I will continue to donate money and even raise money. The MP purchase is one amazing acheivement. Hell, I'll even help put up chairs at Derby Fest. All I need is a PM. Maybe info on rrgcc.org with a link to contact if we can volunteer.
First, people put bolters and climbers off by trying to force their ethics down people's throats. Guys and girls who had been climbing at the Red for years were suddenly told to alter their behavior by people who hadn't been climbing very long. This information was conveyed in a totally underhanded manner. No one spoke face to face but they started rumors and generally bad-mouthed other climbers. Ethics needed to change, but the people skills were lacking. Instead, the RRGCC came off as a bunch of hypocritical egocentric know-it-alls trying to enforce rules, which had not previously existed. Oh then John wrote the guidebook and included a lot of crags that people didn't want published. That didn't help much.
Second, the negative connotation continued by the RRGCC's paranoia and continued ham-handed dealings with climbers. Paranoia that if information got out to those poor stupid climbers then there would be carnage and fear (sarcasm). Funny thing is that 90% of what the RRGCC thinks is super secret info, 85% of the climbing community already knows but doesn't care about. Except the events at Derby Fest. That's always a state secret.
Third, the RRGCC has been terrible at following up with volunteers or running off really good ones because of personality conflicts. Thus a TON of work is put on a few people (see Vic's post). It becomes time-consuming and frustrating. They have also been pretty bad at working to mitigate the negative connotation attached to the Coalition. While Andy's point that "the RRGCC probably focus more on the people that live in a house in Lexington rather than the people that live in a tent at Miguel's" is well-taken, it's the guys living at Miguel's and hanging out at the cliff who have direct access to other young climbers. What is reputation except for word of mouth? So, the RRGCC needs better word of mouth.
Finally, with all of these faults, the Coalition is the best that we have for The Red. I will continue to donate money and even raise money. The MP purchase is one amazing acheivement. Hell, I'll even help put up chairs at Derby Fest. All I need is a PM. Maybe info on rrgcc.org with a link to contact if we can volunteer.
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