R-E-S-P-E-C-T To the ones who deserve it!

aaron · Post by **aaron** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:13 pm

fuck you.

Post by **Pimp** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:32 pm

aaron wrote:
Pimp wrote:And if you just did your first 12d than that doesn't mean that you get to sit in wes' chair and diss all the more experienced climbers that fought their way up a 11b the same day.

are you saying wes is some almighty judge who we are subject to?

No dumbass, that red recliner at the camp fire is wes' chair......
Any rrg climber with experience would know that( If he/she were cool)

Post by **andy_lemon** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 11:42 pm

I think experience gets blown out of proportion at times, mainly "the measuring of"... working at the gym, people tell me they have been climbing for 10 years when their first 8 and a half years were spent going to an indoor gym once every three months. Now should that really be concidered 10 years experience... but that's beside the point. Respect should be given to those who know their shit. If I can goto one guy and get answers on bolting, ice, and big walls then he will get alot of respect from me. Doesn't matter if he has been climbing 5 years or 25 years. Hardest redpoints should not be a big factor on how much respect someone is given but it is and probably always will be in our egotistical climbing community. Hardest redpoints are minute building blocks in building a climbing resume.

One person I can think of who doesn't get much respect from the climbing community, mostly because of his off the wall antics, is Peter Zabrok. Now writing an aid climbing column for Climbing & Rock and Ice... you probably know him as Pass the Piton Pete. Before he was a big wall aid climber he was bolting sport routes and FA'ing cracks in the B.C. He has even climbed ice with some of the best. That dude has done it all, knows his shit, and will always get respect from me because of that.

aaron · Post by **aaron** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:20 am

yeah but does he know about wes' chair?

man respect is a person to person thing, at least to me. if you suck (as a person) i don't respect you. if you are cool, i can respect you. end of story.

Post by **andy_lemon** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:24 am

aaron wrote:yeah but does he know about wes' chair?

Yeh, he comes down to Kentucky quit often eh. He is part of an expedition team that is exploring part of the Mammoth Cave system.

aaron · Post by **aaron** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:26 am

hmmm...maybe i should respect him, eh?

Post by **SikMonkey** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 12:52 pm

andy lemon wrote:

Hardest redpoints should not be a big factor on how much respect someone is given but it is and probably always will be in our egotistical climbing community. Hardest redpoints are minute building blocks in building a climbing resume.

I guess it depends on what you regard as important. A guy can know all kinds of stuff but that still won't necessarily garner respect.

Mj

Post by **Thrax** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 3:16 pm

Simple. Climbers who give. Not climbers who just take and constantly want more without giving anything back. Climbers that help. Not climbers who help themselves. Climbers who build. Not climbers who destory. Respect is for those deserve it. If your actions are all self-centered and without regard to the larger community, you deserve no respect. Be aware that there are far greater projects that need way more work than your next hardest red-point.

Post by **andy_lemon** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 4:31 pm

SikMonkey wrote:I guess it depends on what you regard as important. A guy can know all kinds of stuff but that still won't necessarily garner respect.

So because someone sends 5.xx sport routes he automatically should be regarded as the higher power to someone who only sends 5.9? Ever heard of Chuck Pratt...???

Post by **SikMonkey** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 5:04 pm

Nope, and since I don't know him or anything about him, he has done exactly *zero* to earn my respect. Is he the climber with no legs or something? THAT I can respect. Is he pushing the limits of the sport in some way, shape or form? THAT I can respect. Is he a guy who helps out at every trail and anchor replacement day and does everything in his power to secure access to his home crag? THAT I can respect. Does he bolt QUALITY lines (read: not chosspiles or squeeze jobs) that are pertinent to me in some way? THAT I can respect (I can't respect anyone for putting up a route I haven't climbed). Just because a guy has been around for 40 years and knows how to tie every knot in the book and uses old sticks from downed trees as pro on a 5.whatever X runout trad route, or has soloed numerous multipitch 5.7's and 5.8's doesn't mean he automatically gets respect either.

I can respect a person's abilities or potential, but respect for the person has to be earned.

Mj

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