Not trying to be an ass here just would like consistancy to defining our beloved climbing terms..I mean without our terms our climbing mean nothing..right?
our climbing means nothing without terms? what the fuck?
For those that don't know, Yuji is probably the world's best onsight climber. I think I'll go with what Yuji feels is an onsight.
From planetfear.com
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It is also entirely legitimate to downclimb (without weighting the rope) to a place where the climber can rest, including the ground, and this is also a common method employed on hard onsight ascents.
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I was there when this happened and Im not sure about the whole onsight thing. I think I heard about climbers in europe who climb up and down routes to figure them out, they still count the climbs as onsights as long as they dont fall anytime. I've seen the guy who attempted the route climb before and I'm almost sure he would have sent it no problem if it was dry.