Wonder why they call you bitch?

Post by **Crankmas** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 7:12 pm

And enjoy the cold. Burr- the gyms should be hopping, wait a minute I have that ice climbing gear down next to my haul bag next to my bouldering mat next to my quickdraws right there beside my cams- phases and stages, know nothing about that

Post by JB » Thu Jan 08, 2004 7:39 pm

Once upon a time, you were a just a climber. That was cool. Once upon a time you climbed a route and cared more about how you climbed it and if you enjoyed it than you did about the number attached to it. That was cool. Once upon a time, climbers were anti-social types who went climbing to get away from a seemingly phony world of made up values and societal norms... that was cool.

Sadly, climbers brought that world with them; the world of definitions, hard facts, and a ladder of accomplishment. We've corporatized climbing. We've put it in tiny little boxes, categories, and compartments. We've given everything it's definition and often feel the need to use these definitions to categorize ourselves. It's too bad really, cuz I'd rather spend my time climbing than worry about what I'm climbing.

But maybe that's because I suck by these climber standards, so I rail against the system... and maybe Wes is just pissed because he can't fit into any of the definitions of climber until his finger heals. Poor bastard.

Post by **Crankmas** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 7:44 pm

Long live the Mayor

Post by **Artsay** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 7:48 pm

I agree with everything you said, Muao Dib. I agree with a lot of the content just not the delivery. I guess I'm just idealistic in thinking that because we're all friends such a negative attack wouldn't be directed towards us. I'll go crawl back in my dream world now...

Post by **longlegsrule** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 8:06 pm

I think he's just frustrated...let me know when your finger heals

Post by **Horatio Felacio** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:05 pm

i don't think wes is attacking anyone personally. for example, if you, artsay, are very proud of sending so-and-so 5.10 route, then cool for you! i think it's more the shitheads who send a 5.10 gear route and try to elevate themselves by saying sport climbers who climb 5.13 couldn't do this. we all know people like that. who isn't like that on at least some level right? or maybe wes was just saying that all climbers are losers. and good for him for being blunt. you've got to admit there's a lot of fucking dumb motherfuckers that climb.

Post by **Crankmas** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:14 pm

count the # of closed crags due to actions of certain "climbers" if you need a case in point, reminds me of hanging with the Stones, Keith would clean up on the road only to digress when the tour ended, Wes is alright - he justs needs some bourbon.

aaron · Post by **aaron** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:17 pm

fuck all climbers. we all suck. everyone of us. yeah im all hardcore and cool but fuck me too.

aaron · Post by **aaron** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:19 pm

i don't even like climbing, i only climb so i have something to talk about with you guys.

Post by **Power2U** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:23 pm

I think that this getting dark early and cold weather is starting to wear on everyone. It is 2004 and we should be looking forward to an exciting year with new promise of what we can accomplish and the places we'll go. I know that I am just as ready for the temps. to some up and the sun to stay out until 9:00pm, and it will be here in due time...just relax, have fun, and make the best of it, b/c '04 will be a good year.